https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SZW9JbDCH4
He likes it! Apparently discounted these are selling for mid to high 20s. Find me a better driver's car in that price range. I'll wait.
Also, this is funny...the V6 and 4 cylinder got this front end which actually looks good, even in 2019. Hilarious.
Matt Maran: 2019 Camaro V6 1LE
Re: Matt Maran: 2019 Camaro V6 1LE
Some thoughts:
It looks pretty good, better than the bumper-gate disaster, maybe better than the bumper-gate refresh.
I like the seats. Tail lights look like aftermarket lancer lights... EVOOOOOOO
I think the gen 5 still looks better overall, interior and exterior.
Who cares if this is ok if there is literally no circumstance where you would buy one?
It looks pretty good, better than the bumper-gate disaster, maybe better than the bumper-gate refresh.
I like the seats. Tail lights look like aftermarket lancer lights... EVOOOOOOO
I think the gen 5 still looks better overall, interior and exterior.
Who cares if this is ok if there is literally no circumstance where you would buy one?
Re: Matt Maran: 2019 Camaro V6 1LE
Bumper gate. That is pretty funny.
As for caring why this is good, there are many reasons. I guess the main reason is conquest sales. Not in a pure sense but if someone shows up to the dealer for a brand new 370Z or BR-Z/FR-S, I'd ask....why? This is superior to those. Also, this is a great car for someone who wants what you could think of as a brand new E36 M3 or maybe even an E46 M3. There are many use cases for this car, provided you aren't requiring or expecting a V8 (none of what I mentioned had a V8, either). Again, also take into account real world transaction prices which are mid to high 20s. This is a lot of performance car for the money.
This was a 1LT car so other than a few upgrades, it's fairly low trim. I suspect, but am too lazy to compare, that this is a nicer interior than a 1LT gen 5.
As for caring why this is good, there are many reasons. I guess the main reason is conquest sales. Not in a pure sense but if someone shows up to the dealer for a brand new 370Z or BR-Z/FR-S, I'd ask....why? This is superior to those. Also, this is a great car for someone who wants what you could think of as a brand new E36 M3 or maybe even an E46 M3. There are many use cases for this car, provided you aren't requiring or expecting a V8 (none of what I mentioned had a V8, either). Again, also take into account real world transaction prices which are mid to high 20s. This is a lot of performance car for the money.
This was a 1LT car so other than a few upgrades, it's fairly low trim. I suspect, but am too lazy to compare, that this is a nicer interior than a 1LT gen 5.
Re: Matt Maran: 2019 Camaro V6 1LE
Also this car is 5.5 seconds faster around VIR than the original 2010 Camaro SS (then again the 1LE turbo was 3.9 seconds faster, too). And only 2.5 seconds slower than yours. I can look at an ugly bumper if that platform can make a V6 do that.
This list comprises cars between the V6 1LE and turbo 1LE. There are many V8s in here. Again, I'd buy a V2 over a V6 1LE, even though the VIR times are the same. I just can't see dismissing the car because there are most likely people out there that are ideal targets. The question is, do they know or care that the Camaro could fulfill their needs...
This list comprises cars between the V6 1LE and turbo 1LE. There are many V8s in here. Again, I'd buy a V2 over a V6 1LE, even though the VIR times are the same. I just can't see dismissing the car because there are most likely people out there that are ideal targets. The question is, do they know or care that the Camaro could fulfill their needs...
Maybe what I mean is that I wouldn't necessarily buy a V6 1LE over any of these cars. But I WOULD buy it over a BRZ tS (3:14) or a 370Z (3:12). 10 seconds off the VIR time is going to show up in day to day driving.2009 Cadillac CTS-V, 3:04.0
2011 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:04.0
2017 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE, 3:04.0
2011 Cadillac CTS-V coupe, 3:04.2
2013 Porsche Boxster S, 3:04.2
2017 BMW Alpina B7 xDrive, 3:04.3
2013 Audi RS5, 3:04.3
2007 Lotus Exige S, 3:04.5
2007 Audi R8, 3:04.6
2013 BMW M6, 3:04.7
2019 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio Q4, 3:04.8
2018 Lexus LC500, 3:04.8
2012 Audi TT RS, 3:04.8
2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG, 3:04.9
2018 Subaru WRX STI Type RA, 3:04.9
2009 Lotus Exige S 260 Sport, 3:05.0
2013 BMW M5, 3:05.2
2015 Ford Mustang GT, 3:05.2
2012 Lotus Evora S, 3:05.3
2011 Lexus IS F, 3:05.4
2009 BMW M3 coupe, 3:05.4
2017 Audi RS3, 3:05.6
2008 BMW M3 coupe, 3:05.6
2019 Chevrolet Camaro Turbo 1LE, 3:05.6
2007 Porsche 911 Turbo, 3:05.8
2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S, 3:05.8
2009 Nissan 370Z NISMO, 3:12.0
2019 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 35th Anniversary Edition, 3:12.2
2015 Volkswagen Golf R, 3:12.3
2006 Nissan 350Z Track, 3:12.5
2011 Ford Mustang V-6, 3:12.5
2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS, 3:13.0
2012 BMW 335i Sport Line, 3:13.2
2010 Ford Mustang GT, 3:13.3
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR, 3:13.3
2014 Lexus IS350 F sport, 3:13.4
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR, 3:13.5
2008 BMW 135i, 3:13.7
2012 BMW 335is, 3:13.8
2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-spec, 3:13.8
2011 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Sedan, 3:13.8
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-spec, 3:13.9
2008 Lexus IS F, 3:14.0
2012 Volkswagen Golf R, 3:14.0
2018 Subaru BRZ tS, 3:14.0
Re: Matt Maran: 2019 Camaro V6 1LE
Here are model year 2015 or newer cars that are the same or slower than the V6 1LE around VIR (fun with Excel):
2017 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE
2017 BMW Alpina B7 xDrive
2019 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio Q4
2018 Lexus LC500
2018 Subaru WRX STI Type RA
2015 Ford Mustang GT
2017 Audi RS3
2019 Chevrolet Camaro Turbo 1LE
2015 Lexus RC F
2016 Lexus GS F
2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Cup Car
2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk
2019 Genesis G70 3.3T Dynamic
2017 BMW M760i xDrive
2016 Audi TTS
2019 Hyundai Veloster N Performance Package
2017 BMW M240i
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C
2015 Subaru WRX STI
2015 Audi S3
2018 Subaru WRX Performance Package
2018 Kia Stinger GT
2019 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 35th Anniversary Edition
2015 Volkswagen Golf R
2018 Subaru BRZ tS
2015 Volkswagen GTI
2017 Honda Civic Si
2015 Mini Cooper Hardtop John Cooper Works
2015 Subaru WRX
2015 Ford Mustang Ecoboost
2017 Mini Clubman JCW All4
2017 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth
2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata RF Club
2015 Tesla Model S P85D
2018 Honda Accord Sport 2.0T
2015 Volkswagen GTI
2017 Subaru BRZ Performance Package
2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Club
2019 Toyota Camry V6 XSE
2015 Honda Fit EX
Re: Matt Maran: 2019 Camaro V6 1LE
The point of my comment wasn't to discredit the performance of the V6, but to make the statement that for only a few more grand, you could have the V8 which is really good.
A lot of the cars you mentioned also give the owner some amount of luxury prestige that you aren't getting from a V6 Camaro, so I don't see many people cross shopping an Audi or BMW with a V6 Camaro, even if the Camaro is faster. Because... Golf course.
A lot of the cars you mentioned also give the owner some amount of luxury prestige that you aren't getting from a V6 Camaro, so I don't see many people cross shopping an Audi or BMW with a V6 Camaro, even if the Camaro is faster. Because... Golf course.
Re: Matt Maran: 2019 Camaro V6 1LE
Yeah I know and I agree. But some like those I mention do not give that prestige. Basically if you are looking for a 2 door non-luxury performance coupe...there it is. I would save up for the SS, too, but people have bought every single car on that list, some in volume.