Toyota phoned it in with the new Supra

[Bob]

I watched the video using my MT subscription. The Supra edged out the M2 Comp by 0.3 second! It seemed like the Supra carried more speed through some of the tighter stuff and the M2 was faster on some of the longer straights due to the trap speed advantage.

[bill25]

Too bad there wasn't a gen 6 Camaro SS in this competition... maybe 1LE.

[kevm14]

Exactly.

The winner of the M2 vs Supra comparison is: Camaro SS 1LE.

[kevm14]

More Supra news.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3087 ... nl19429392

2021 Toyota Supra Adds 255-HP Turbo Four, and Inline-6 Gains Power
The updated inline-six gains 47 horsepower, up to 382 hp, and the 2.0-liter turbo four is new.

The 2021 Toyota Supra will have an updated, more powerful version of the turbocharged inline-six. There's a new four-cylinder engine option, too.

The six now produces 382 horsepower and 368 lb-ft of torque, while the turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder makes 255 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque.

Expect to see 2021 Supras at dealers in June. We are estimating that prices will start at just above $40,000 for the Supra 2.0 and $50,000 for the Supra 3.0.

With the update to the inline 6, that probably puts it about even with a gen 6 Camaro SS. For more money. Unless of course this is just a re-rating to the output it actually has. That would be hilarious.

And the 255hp base car is still $10k too expensive. Granted it will probably be faster than the 2.0T Camaro but how much faster? The Camaro is well under $30k.

That 200-pound-lighter, cheaper four-cylinder Supra has a 255-hp turbocharged 2.0-liter that's also sourced from BMW, teamed with an eight-speed automatic transmission. Toyota claims a zero-to-60-mph time of 5.0 seconds—1.2 seconds quicker than the last Toyota 86 we tested. However, the 2.0 does not use the same differential and adaptive dampers as the more powerful 3.0. It'll also have smaller 18-inch wheels, manually adjustable seats, and an audio system with four speakers compared to the 3.0's 10.

4 speaker audio for $40k is rough, imo.

To kick off the 2021 model year, Toyota is offering 1000 Supra 3.0s in special A91 Edition guise. Pricing for this special edition is expected to start at around $57,000, and it's offered in Nocturnal (black) or Refraction, a new blue exterior paint job exclusive to the A91 Edition. It'll be distinguished by a black carbon-fiber lip spoiler in the rear, 19-inch matte black wheels, unique C-pillar graphics, and carbon-fiber mirrors. Inside, it has Alcantara trim and blue-accented stitching.

The 2021 Supras will arrive at dealerships in June, and now all come standard with the 2020 3.0 Premium's 8.8-inch touchscreen. We are estimating that prices will start at just above $40,000 for the Supra 2.0, $50,000 for the Supra 3.0, $55,000 for the Supra 3.0 Premium, and topping out at $57,000 for the Supra A91 Edition.

Man you get so much more performance car for the money with the Camaro. But we all know that.

Backfires discussion: https://backfires.caranddriver.com/foru ... 7-30876409

Bottom line: The 2021 Supra's inline 6 cylinder engine is the 2020 Z4's M40i engine!*

Obviously Toyota didn't have BMW develop a "new" 382 HP/365-ft-lb of torque B58 inline 6 when such an engine (already emissions certified around the globe) already exists.

*I'll note that Toyota claims that the 2021 Supra's compression ratio is 10.2:1, while the 2020's Supra and Z4 M40i's advertised compression ratio was 11:1. I haven't yet seen the 2021 Z4 M40i's compression ratio in print.

This source specially states that the 2021 Supra's inline 6 is "the same engine" as the Z4 M40i's:
https://www.motor1.com/news/398522/2021 ... pdate-a91/

Excerpt: "This brings the Supra's output in line with the BMW Z4 M40i, which uses the same engine."

This would all be exciting...if I was a BMW enthusiast.

[kevm14]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-to ... 907425E709

The M/T version of the news.

The new 2021 Supra 2.0 becomes the entry model, slotting between the Toyota 86 and the Supra 3.0 with the inline-six that launched last year. That 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-six (and, well, plenty of the rest of the Supra) came from BMW, part of the partnership that also created the Z4. The two automakers shared costs to make it feasible to create low-volume, rear-wheel-drive, two-seat sports cars for each brand. In the 2020 Supra, the six-cylinder generated 335 horsepower and 365 lb-ft of torque, and in our testing that was good for a 3.9-second 0-60 mph test and a 12.5-second quarter mile at 111.2 mph. For 2021, the six-cylinder's output rises to 382 horsepower and 368 lb-ft of torque; Supras so equipped should therefore be slightly quicker.

But enough about the six—how about that four-cylinder Supra? Toyota already is selling an entry-level version of the Supra with a 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine—also supplied by BMW—in Europe and Asia. There, the Toyota's four-cylinder is available in two power outputs. The lesser version makes 194 horsepower and 236 lb-ft of torque, while the more powerful version produces 225 horsepower and 295-lb-ft. Americans, rejoice—the Supra 2.0-liter four-cylinder being sent Stateside has been massaged to 255 horsepower (at 5,000-6,500 rpm) and 295 lb-ft of torque (which lands from 1,550 to 4,400 rpm). Those numbers equal the performance of the BMW Z4 s30i with the 2.0-liter four cylinder, and Toyota figures they're good enough to scoot the Supra 2.0 to 60 mph in 5.0 seconds flat.

While the four-cylinder Supra clearly won't keep up with the six-cylinder version, that it will only fall about a second or so behind in the sprint to 60 mph is good news. The Supra 2.0's light weight surely helps. At 3,181 pounds, the base Supra is some 200-plus pounds lighter than the Supra 3.0.

Pricing has not been announced, but given how the four-cylinder Supra slots between the Toyota 86, which starts at about $30,000, and the 2020 Supra 3.0, which started at $50,920, take a guess where it'll land. That said, pricing for the 2021 Supra 3.0 is expected to increase, thanks to a small power boost and more standard features. It will start arriving in dealerships in June.

Over at the Toyota dealer, I guess this all makes sense.