C/D drives 2016 Camaro SS

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kevm14
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billgiacheri wrote:For $47,480 it better be good. that is $2500 less than the GT350.
From the comments:
I think your price estimation is a little decieving. You are talking about a theorectical price on a bare-bones base GT350 with no markup, against a SS with loaded to the gills with every imaginable option. I reality the gap is well in excess of $10,000.
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Other people are weighing in about price perception vs reality:
According to an online inflation calculator, $46k in 1997 (the year the C5 debuted) is worth just a bit more than $68k now. MSRP on a Corvette now starts at $55k. The $33,295 a top of the line Ford Mustang Cobra cost in 1997 (according to Car and Driver, in a nice review) had the same purchasing power as $49,300 does now - which is more than the MSRP of a base gt350 (of which there may of course be none in existence).

The problem in this is that as inequality has grown since the 1970's, fewer people's incomes have kept up with inflation. But that's not mostly the car companies' problem. If anything I'd argue that given the enormous performance gains, the prices of cars today suggest a market working relatively well for consumers.
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If you want Chevrolet (or any manufacturer) to make different cars (or offer different configurations at different prices), contact the manufacturer and tell them that. You can also do that through the dealer. Dealer sales teams have a communications channel to the manufacturer to voice concerns/suggestions. If there is enough interest, the manufacturer will respond.
This is interesting. I didn't realize that dealers were a feedback mechanism to GM. Maybe I will go to a dealer and have a discussion.

I also totally agree that a 5 year old car is a great affordable option. I am just afraid that with the prices escalating, there will be far fewer to choose from used. I also totally get that this has a lot of performance for 47K. I just wish that there was a stripper version available for people who just want the performance stuff. clearly you won't save 10K with an infotainment delete, but I would rather get a decent V8 base and add performance stuff later as I can afford to rather than have to pay almost 40K upfront for a lot of "extra" stuff that I don't necessarily want.

I understand that I don't need to buy new, and with these prices, I don't plan to but someone has to for me to buy used and at almost 50K they have a lot of other options besides a Chevy Camaro.
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1SS starts $10k cheaper and I assure you it is not lacking performance.
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$37k in 2015 was $24k in 1995. What was a Z28 in 95?
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kevm14 wrote:$37k in 2015 was $24k in 1995. What was a Z28 in 95?
According to cars.com a base V8 Camaro coupe started at $18K.
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Looks like the base price of a 96 Z28 was $19,360 in this MT article.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/112 ... ewall.html

When you consider that the performance level of a 95 Z28 was lower than today's V6 Camaro, I would say that the current Camaro represents a good performance bargain.
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Bob wrote:Looks like the base price of a 96 Z28 was $19,360 in this MT article.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/112 ... ewall.html

When you consider that the performance level of a 95 Z28 was lower than today's V6 Camaro, I would say that the current Camaro represents a good performance bargain.
That's $29,360.20 in 2015 money. The 2015 V6 Camaro starts at $24,700. We can redo the calculation with 2016 prices are official and the inflation rate is known, but I image it is very similar.
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kevm14 wrote:Other people are weighing in about price perception vs reality:
According to an online inflation calculator, $46k in 1997 (the year the C5 debuted) is worth just a bit more than $68k now. MSRP on a Corvette now starts at $55k. The $33,295 a top of the line Ford Mustang Cobra cost in 1997 (according to Car and Driver, in a nice review) had the same purchasing power as $49,300 does now - which is more than the MSRP of a base gt350 (of which there may of course be none in existence).

The problem in this is that as inequality has grown since the 1970's, fewer people's incomes have kept up with inflation. But that's not mostly the car companies' problem. If anything I'd argue that given the enormous performance gains, the prices of cars today suggest a market working relatively well for consumers.
I would agree with this. In 1997 I was in high school. The C5 Corvette seemed to cost an unobtainable amount of money. Even a $20K F-Body seemed unreasonably expensive. Now, its less so.
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So, maybe this proves me right???

http://www.lsxmag.com/news/get-ready-fo ... ower-price


We'll see how cheap it actually is, and if people actually buy it. I guess GM is realizing that 47K is a little high for Camaro buyers. Even if it is a bargain for 47K, it doesn't matter if the demographic for the car can't afford it. And yes, I know the base is 39,490 for a 1SS and an automatic transmission. but add just about anything and you get to the high 40's real quick.
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