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Re: GM recall 14405

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:41 pm
by bill25
I am a little surprised that Cadillac dealerships don't take advantage of the face time with a person that actually bought one of their cars. A lot of people go to dealerships to dream, test drive, and not buy anything. Here you have Cadillac giving the dealership work/money, and they have the village idiot blow the job.

Re: GM recall 14405

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:29 pm
by kevm14
Some history. Evidently they didn't know about this until mid-2014:
On June 10, 2014, GM received a Speak Up For Safety report that a 2004 Cadillac CTS-V with approximately 130,000 miles was leaking fuel. According to that report, a certified mechanic observed a hole in the fuel pump module, possibly caused by the fuel pump module’s electrical connectors overheating and melting through the module’s flange material. GM initiated an investigation on June 16. Between June 6 and June 15, 2014, GM obtained and analyzed the suspect fuel pump module. From a visual inspection, GM confirmed there was a hole in the flange material surrounding the terminals on the fuel pump module. Fuel could leak from the pump to the ground through the hole.

From June 16 through August 19, 2014, GM investigated the root cause of the fuel leak. GM analyzed relevant TREAD data, warranty claims, and GM’s Problem Resolution Tracking System (PRTS). GM discovered a PRTS report from September 22, 2006, that determined the electrical connectors on the STS-V’s fuel pump could overheat and deform. According to the PRTS, the overheating of the fuel pump module terminals was caused by fretting corrosion due to motor vibration. GM resolved the PTRS report in 2007 by replacing the electrical connector contacts with contacts containing Beryllium copper and by reducing the stiffness of the wire sheathing to reduce transmitted pump vibrations. The new Beryllium contacts and flexible wires were used in all new CTS-V and STS-V vehicles built on or after March 15, 2007.

Re: GM recall 14405

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:58 pm
by kevm14
Apparently this is one way to do the fuel pump on an STS-V. This one actually had a fire though.
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Re: GM recall 14405

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:44 pm
by kevm14
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/20 ... st14142217

The horror story seeds have been planted.
So tonight as I am dropping it off and speaking with the service adviser, I casually mentioned how frustrated I was that I had not thought to purchase the cradle bushings from CS ahead of the recall work so that they could just swap out the old for the new. To my great surprise the service adviser informs me that they were not going to be dropping the cradle to perform the service.

I said back to him that I was aware of what all had to be done and it required the removal of the fuel tank to gain access to the pump/module and he said, "yeah, we will just go through the access door inside the car to get to it". I replied by telling him that there was not a factory access point which is why dropping the cradle was required to perform the work, and then told him I did not expect for them to "add one" to my car to shave off a few minutes of service time. I asked that he check this with the tech that would be performing the service and get back to me. I have to be honest I am nervous right now and will be calling the dealership in the morning to confirm they will do it the correct way or not do it at all.

Has anyone else run into this?
This is exactly the kind of thing I am concerned with.

Re: GM recall 14405

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:45 pm
by kevm14
It took the dealer 3 days to do mine since it was their first one ever. I highly doubt they cut a hole in the car since they took so long to do it. Car seems to start a little quicker now, I'm pretty satisfied.

Re: GM recall 14405

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:47 pm
by kevm14
Makes me feel a little better.
Guys, be clear here... the Tech's instructions SPECIFICALLY say that they need to drop one end of the cradle 3 inches in order to access the strap bolts on the fuel tank. They will NOT be completely removing the rear cradle, so brake line bleeding, e-brake disconnection, fuel lines, etc are not a concern. I've looked into this quite in depth because I wanted to see about having diff and cradle bushings done if they were going to be completely dropping the cradle. I've had it confirmed a number of times that this is NOT the case.

Also, GM's instructions for the Techs STRICTLY PROHIBIT the creation of an access door in order to access the fuel pump. If your shop is telling you that's what they have to do, I'd go RUNNING out that door to find another place to go.

Re: GM recall 14405

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:54 am
by kevm14
A nice, classic horror story.
Well guys the dealer here got mine done but I got a voice mail while at work that said I needed to call them because there was a mishap with my car. Come to find out while putting the cradle back into place they some how the the lift arms kick out on the passenger side crushing the rockers in front of the rear tire and behind the front. So now they will have it longer fixing their screw up..

Re: GM recall 14405

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:42 pm
by kevm14
On the rear cradle, remove the front bolts, letting it drop down ~3 inches. This makes way for gas tank strap bolts that you couldn't otherwise access.

Notice the two pumps in the tank. The tank is split around the driveshaft I believe, so one is a transfer pump to the main chamber.
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Re: GM recall 14405

Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 5:56 am
by kevm14
Good news: This recall, as well as the ignition key recall, has been performed successfully by Herb Chambers Cadillac of RI (Warwick).

I was pleased that they had two other CTS-Vs in the shop for the same recall and had done another one earlier in the week. The car drives the same, with no new noises or vibrations. The only thing I noticed was the driver's side exhaust pipe that runs under the diff is hanging low. To be fair, it is an aftermarket exhaust (Magnaflow) and it was hanging low before, just not this low.

Side note, the parts replaced were:
19330301 B-(S)MODULE KIT [$550 list]
23307781 F-HARNESS [$41 list]

The letter said 2 hours 30 minutes to 4 hours 50 minutes. Let's say they're good and did everything in 3.5 hours.
That would have been $941, assuming a nominal $100/hr labor rate.

They also were prepared to do the brake line recall which I was happy to decline due to my stainless braided hoses that I put on like 4 years ago.

Mileage in was 117,032 and mileage out was 117,032.

The service writer who had been communicating with the GM CSR checked me in. I "casually" requested for a tech not to go out and beat on my car. She kind of smirked (as in, I'm being ridiculous) and said "that's funny, another guy with a CTS-V asked the same thing.". I explained that while I'm sure she comes across many nice cars in her job, there is something about the V that sort of begs a tech to go test it out. Unlike a Corvette, these won't put up with abuse. Fortunately, I don't think that occurred.

Oh yeah, they even washed my car, which was nice because it was quite dusty.

On the way back I pulled 0.98g around a different ramp the other direction to match the 0.98g I pulled the other day. I think I will be driving this car more this season.