Malibu replacement

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bill25
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To be fair to the Lotus, this thing wasn't the econo box it is being talked about as:
With a base price of $22,995, the HHR SS costs $8090 more than the base LS model
This thing was 31K in 2008. With a four cylinder turbo FWD. That is why nobody bought it. Nobody cared. It was not good looking, granted it has cues from the Suburban, but this is it's midget brother.

Plus, for the performance you are talking about, you need to pay more for the upgrade.

To put things into perspective, You could get a 5.3 Monte Carlo or Grand Prix if you want an awesome FWD. Which I didn't think anyone wanted...

The Lotus is better looking, better styled (arguable), and it isn't even really fair to compare these.
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So 2 years later, the Camaro was 2K more, and 200HP more...
kevm14
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billgiacheri wrote:This thing was 31K in 2008.
Bill, that is a big bag of fail.

http://www.cars.com/chevrolet/hhr/2009/&myid=10086

2008 HHR SS MSRP: $23,698, which means you could get them for even less.

Base HHR was well under $20k.
bill25
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Ok, well that is cheap.

I still would say it is all performance and no looks but obviously, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I think my 3 would be awesome if it was fast because I like the look of it, but most people wouldn't want a Mazda 3 sedan racecar. The Mazdaspeed 3 (25K) was in the same price point and was faster, but I wasn't excited to have that in FWD either.
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I will post more thoughts (I drove the HHR SS and the CTS wagon) but the torque steer in that HHR was basically nothing, even winding out 1st gear.
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So I stopped at Barrys and drove the HHR SS and the CTS wagon.

I drove the HHR SS first.

Interior
The first thing I did was sit in the driver's seat, adjust it, and try to sit behind myself. That required me to splay my legs. Then I got back in the driver's seat and adjusted it as I might if I had a rear seat passenger (so, knees closer to the dash but not touching). That was better but I still had to splay. The width of the car is also not great. The trunk area is cool and this seems like a useful little car but it's the wrong size for what we're looking for right now.

Once I started the engine, I noticed that there is an information center ("Performance Display," a $295 option) on the top of the dash. It's a little square LCD screen, maybe 3.5". There's a knob to adjust which performance screen you're on. Press the knob and it toggles between night mode (dimmer backlighting) and day mode (brighter backlighting). It probably adjusts automatically but you can override it.

These aren't my pics but here it is:
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Display options include:
boost
A/F ratio
cam phase angle (both intake and exhaust)
spark advance
spark knock
engine power (in HP)
engine torque (in lb-ft)
speedometer
left G-force
right G-force
maximum G-force
shift light
gear indicator
individual wheel tire pressures
Barometer
outside air temp
battery voltage
coolant temp
air inlet temp
fuel pressure
So that was cool. That is a lot of info for a cheap car. Speaking of cheap, I didn't think the interior looked that bad, but it definitely was cheap. One of the center HVAC vents was broken. Nothing that couldn't be fixed but it speaks to the quality I guess.

Powertrain
This engine is very good. I don't have a lot of experience with turbos (I think limited to a Saab 9-3 Viggen, Mini Cooper S manual, Chevy Cruze Eco manual and Ford Fusion 1.6L auto). But this one seems very good, and the internet/reviews agree. With the auto, you really feel no lag at all. It pulls strongly and I also noticed basically zero torque steer, even at full throttle in 1st gear. In fact, I had just a few left-hand fingers on the wheel coming off the tolls back onto the Newport bridge, and I wound out 1st with no control issues whatsoever. On the way back up the bridge, the auto happily put me in 4th gear lockup, at under 2000rpm, turbo doing like 6psi, just effortlessly gliding up the hill. That was cool. This car with the 290hp Stage 1 kit would be an absolute blast, and a riot. Now that I think about it, I wonder if this was running on 87. If so I noticed nothing abnormal whatsoever. I should have set the screen to the knock retard display...

Anyway, despite not enough ratios in the trans, the engine copes well. And again, reports are that the Stage 1 kit turns it into a completely different animal, which is hilarious to me.

Chassis
It's tough to decide whether I like the engine or the chassis better. I think they may actually be even with each other. As Bob said on the phone, this was from GM's performance awakening era where they began to deliver balanced performance. And yet, balanced performance at this level, in a car that started as cheap as this one (even out the door as an SS) just blows my mind. The suspension calibration felt pretty sophisticated. Again, hard to believe this thing had a solid beam rear axle. Quick steering with the right feel, very easy to steer (no wander). The shocks, as advertised, did actually soak up some of the nasty bumps we have around here right now, yet it kept everything planted with no excessive motion.

Overall, this was a really nice driving car. It may not be the right car for us, but I remain intrigued by it. I think I would actually stick with the auto and get the Stage 1 kit.
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When we got back, we went on a much longer test drive of the CTS wagon.

Interior
So this car is basically a "stripper." I'm not sure it has a single option, except the 3.6L. More about the engine in the Powertrain section. Actually it has the Crystal Red Tintcoat which was a premium color option.
The good news is, it's still a Cadillac, so it has plenty of actual features, including:
Interior Features

Front Seats
•Multi-level (3-way) heated driver and passenger seat
•8 -way power passenger seat
•8 -way power driver seat
•Passenger seat with power adjustable lumbar support
•Multi-level heating driver seat
•Driver seat with power adjustable lumbar support
•Height adjustable driver seat
•Height adjustable passenger seat
•Leather
•Bucket front seats

Rear Seats
•Folding with storage and pass-thru center armrest
•Rear ventilation ducts

Power Features
•Remote keyless power door locks
•Power mirrors
•Heated mirrors
•4 one-touch power windows

Instrumentation
•Clock
•Tachometer
•Trip computer
•External temperature display
•Low fuel level warning

Convenience
•Cruise control
•Front and rear cupholders
•Front and rear door pockets
•Retained accessory power
•Front seatback storage
•Speed-proportional power steering
•Universal remote transmitter (for garage door, security system, etc.)
•12V rear and 12V cargo area power outlet(s)
•Tilt and telescopic steering wheel (manual)
•Audio and cruise controls on steering wheel
•Power rear hatch (up and down, controllable from remote, also adjustable height w/ memory setting)

Comfort
•Dual zone climate controls - driver and passenger
•Sun sensor
•Cargo area light
•Simulated carbon fiber trim on center console
•Simulated carbon fiber trim on dash
•Simulated carbon fiber trim on doors
•Front reading lights
•Leather steering wheel
•Rear floor mats
•Electrochromatic inside rearview mirror (auto dimming)
•Dual illuminating vanity mirrors

Memorized settings
•Memorized settings for 2 drivers

In Car Entertainment
•Diversity antenna
•Bose premium brand speakers
•10 total speakers
•AM/FM stereo
•Satellite radio satellite radio
•Adjustable speed sensitive volume control
•Auxiliary audio input and USB with external media control
•1 subwoofer(s)
•Surround audio surround audio (discrete)
•3 Months of provided satellite radio service
•Radio data system
•USB connection

Telematics
•Pre-wired for phone
•OnStar telecommunications service
•Bluetooth wireless data link for hands-free phone
Exterior Features

Roof and Glass
•Variable intermittent wipers
•Rear defogger
•Rear window wiper
•Roof rack

Tires and Wheels
•Painted alloy wheels
•18 x 8.0 in. wheels
•P235/50R V tires
•All season tires
•Tire repair kit

Towing and Hauling
•Cargo tie downs

Safety Features
•4-wheel ABS
•Front and rear head airbags
•Dual front side-mounted airbags
•Child seat anchors
•Emergency braking assist
•Front and rear ventilated disc brakes
•Rear door child safety locks
•Daytime running lights
•Engine immobilizer
•Front fog/driving lights
•Auto delay off headlamps
•Dusk sensing headlamps
•Xenon high intensity discharge headlamp
•2 front headrests
•2 rear headrests
•Passenger airbag occupant sensing deactivation
•Rear center 3-point belt
•Front seatbelt pretensioners
•Stability control
•Traction control
•Electronic brakeforce distribution
•Rear height adjustable headrests
•Post-collision safety system
•Adaptive headlights (turns with steering input around corners)
•Tire pressure monitoring
•Highway Safety Kit
A brochure I found also states that the Performance adds the following to the base model:
- BOSE 5.1 Cabin Surround Sound System (hard drive w/ USB audio, 3.6L only)
- 18 inch wheels/tires w/ performance suspension (I assume this is FE3)
- Leather seating w/ 10-way power driver and front passenger seat, 2 way power lumbar, memory package and heated seats
- HID headlights

Seriously, all that stuff is standard. Some of the more obvious luxury features it is missing that were available:
- Navigation (screen pops up from the dash which is cool)
- Ventilated seats
- Keyless ignition
- Moonroof (they made a big-ass one, too)
- Backup camera
- Well, AWD I guess

Some of the less obvious options here:
- 19s with summer tires
- DVD entertainment system
- Rear parking assist
- Upgraded 12-speaker BOSE (from the base 10-speaker BOSE)
- Some fancy wood trim options

Seating impressions:
I thought the seats were comfortable and did have adjustable power lumbar support, as well. One trademark of these cars (may be a bit of a GM thing but also a modern car thing) is a somewhat cramped center console area. Your right knee is kind of always resting on it. To be fair, nothing is as roomy as my Caprice (which I have been daily driving for months), except maybe a MB S600 or something ridiculous. Or a fullsize SUV.

So I adjusted the front seat and sat behind myself. The rear seat in this car is a little bit of a disappointment, especially after the first gen which was also a bit small. They did redesign the front seats in the 2nd generation, which helps. But I wouldn't call this a particularly spacious rear seat. It is adequate.

The rear cargo area was cool. Not huge but not bad, either. It has a system of like 4 sliding tie down hooks.

I drove home with it, and put Ian's seat, then Ian, then Jamie in the car and we drove back to Barrys (Jamie drove). Rear seat accommodations aren't great. If you wanted to put the seat rear facing (as you would from age ~1 to ~2), it would require front seat adjustment if it's on the left or right side (as it would be with 2 kids in the car). But Ian is already in forward facing, so it would just be a year like that. Most of the time, Jamie could just adjust the front passenger seat accordingly, and put the rear facing (when it's needed) on the right side of the car. If she happened to have a front seat passenger, they just have to adjust the seat forward. It's not ideal but it seems reasonable to me.

The hip width of this car is rated as 2" more than the Malibu which is something, when you have a center seat and want 1 or 2 adult rear passengers. Nothing is going to be like my Caprice (except a truck).

Powertrain
The base engine is a 3.0L DI V6 with 270hp @ 7000 rpm. I have experience with that one in a 2010 CTS sedan loaner I had back in 2010. This optional 3.6L has 304hp @ 6400pm and 273lb-ft @ 5200rpm. 6-speed auto. Someone ordered a CTS wagon "Performance" trim with the 3.6L and nothing else. I think that's cool, in the hot rod tradition. In fact, this should be the best handling (FE3 suspension) and fastest V6 CTS wagon that you could get. I say fastest because it's RWD, so it's lighter. 2014 CTS Performance wagon curb weight is 4,096 which isn't exactly light but it is when AWD adds another 200 lbs. Maybe the 2010 is a touch lighter...

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/wag ... on_review/
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/201 ... est-review

This says 4,212 which seems more like the AWD weight despite the test being a RWD. 93 mph trap...
Running from 0 to 60 in 7.0 seconds isn’t criminal, but the sedan does the deed in six flat. Cadillac folks say that roughly 0.3 second is sacrificed to the weight and another 0.3 is lost to the newly optional and heavier 19-inch wheels and larger brakes of the FE3 suspension.
This 2010 I drove has the 18s so a touch lighter and a touch faster. But the wagon definitely has a weight penalty. Adding weight over the rear, though, which is good for winter.

But I digress.

This is a good engine. It was pretty refined, had reasonable (but not exceptional) throttle response, solid mid-range torque but also top end, and sounded great. The transmission does a reasonable job though I have a couple of beefs, which are probably torque management related. First, I don't think it does 2-1 downshifts. Or maybe I was going too fast. Not sure. Also, a WOT downshift into 2nd at like 50mph results in a lag while the engine rev matches, trans selects the gear and lets full power happen. It makes the operation very smooth but I just miss that immediate shove you get with a non-managed powertrain.

But yeah, it's solid off the line and generally a pleasant experience, with performance when you need it. I think this car is just a bit faster than the HHR SS.

Chassis
The steering was good. The right amount of assist and on-center feel, with no play. It rode on a set of Blizzaks so I guess I can't fully judge it but I liked the ride/handling of FE3 (I assume this has FE3). It is firm, yes, but I think it's what you want in a sporty, Germanic wagon of this type. It felt refined, sophisticated and planted. It's also pleasant to drive and steer. I think it would get mid to high 20s on the highway in reasonable conditions.

They already told me they could do $16,500 which is definitely more than I wanted to spend but this is a very good value. This is a special car. There aren't many around, and they are holding their value. People prefer more obviously-utilitarian crossovers.

An 08 SRX on their lot (previously linked, in a silver with the optional 20s) with 10k more miles, had WAY more luxury options, the Northstar, AWD, even a third row. We could probably get that for at least $2k less than the CTS wagon, yet it has way more rear legroom, is wider and is generally more suitable for day to day family operations (aside from the awful gas mileage). In the SRX's defense, it IS a crossover, but it is a RWD-based performance crossover more in the spirit of a BMW X5 than a Toyota Highlander. And if you need a third row (I don't think we really do) it is actually in rarified company, unless you just submit to a minivan. The SRX, however, will continue to plummet in resale, especially as gas prices creep up. The CTS wagon will hold its value. The question is, how much does that matter to me?

If we splurged on the CTS wagon (paying more for less utility), if it just wasn't working out, I think we could get out of it for little loss. The SRX has a better chance of meeting needs, but is definitely going to have a resale hit the longer we keep it. The SRX also has a bunch more crap to fail, if I'm being honest (AWD V8 with what appears to be all, or most, options).
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Plan is to go pick up the SRX and bring that home for a test drive.
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So this is good.
Currently, there are no recalls or programs associated with your 2008 Cadillac SRX
More to come.
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So I picked up the SRX and drove it back to our house for Jamie to assess. This was the first time we did anything with this one other than sitting in it. It's the same one I linked to in a previous post.

Some specs:
Curb weight: around 4,442 but may be as high as 4,700. Not really sure.
EPA MPG rating: 13/20

Tows either 2,000 lbs or up to 4,250 with V92 tow package. Not bad.

116.4" wheelbase (0.5" longer than my Caprice).

0.37 coefficient of drag which is pretty decent.

20 gallon gas tank

2007 C/D comparo with a BMW X5, Acura MDX, MB ML350, Lexus GX470, Volvo XC90, VW Touareg, Land Rover LR3 and Cadillac SRX:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons ... v-8-page-8

It placed 2nd, as one of the oldest designs in the group. That's something.

Interior
Unlike the CTS wagon, this SRX may have every option. It is a V8 (Northstar) AWD with Ultraview Plus roof, Sport package, 20" wheel package, 3rd row and DVD rear seat entertainment. The big deal here is 41" of rear legroom. The front seats are nice, also. It has a power folding 3rd row. The interior was updated for 2007 on these. I am going to list the standard features and then attempt to list the options I think it has:
Interior Features

Front Seats
•Multi-level heating driver & passenger seat (3-way back/bottom and selectable 3-way back-only)
•8 -way power passenger seat
•8 -way power driver seat
•Passenger seat with power adjustable lumbar support
•Driver seat with power adjustable lumbar support
•Height adjustable driver seat
•Height adjustable passenger seat
•Leather
•Bucket front seats

Rear Seats
•Split-folding rear seatback
•Folding with storage center armrest
•Rear ventilation ducts

Power Features
•Remote keyless power door locks
•Power mirrors
•Heated mirrors
•4 one-touch power windows (auto up/down on front doors, auto down on rear doors)

Instrumentation
•Clock
•Tachometer
•Trip computer
•External temperature display
•Low fuel level warning
•Compass

Convenience
•Cruise control
•Cargo net
•Front, rear and 3rd row cupholders
•Front door pockets
•Retained accessory power
•Front seatback storage
•Speed-proportional power steering
•Universal remote transmitter (for garage door, security system, etc.)
•12V rear and 12V cargo area power outlet(s)
•Rear parking sensors
•Tilt-adjustable steering wheel
•Audio controls on steering wheel
•Remote engine start (in cold weather, it turns on the rear defroster and heated seats automatically. Will run for 10 minutes and can be extended once for another 10 by holding down the remote start button again. After a max of two 10 minute remote start sessions, or a contiguous 20 minute session, the vehicle must be started with the ignition key)
•Selectable auto tilt down side mirrors in reverse (driver, passenger, both, or neither)
•Auto headlights when wipers on for more than 6 seconds (my CTS-V has this)

Comfort
•Dual zone climate controls - driver and passenger
•Cargo area light
•Wood trim on center console
•Wood trim on dash
•Wood trim on doors
•Front and rear reading lights
•Leather steering wheel
•Rear floor mats
•Heated steering wheel
•Electrochromatic inside rearview mirror
•Dual illuminating vanity mirrors

Memorized settings
•Memorized settings includes audio system
•Memorized settings includes climate control
•Memorized settings for 2 drivers

In Car Entertainment
•Diversity antenna
•Bose premium brand speakers
•8 total speakers
•AM/FM stereo
•Satellite radio satellite radio
•Auxiliary audio input
•1 subwoofer(s)
•Radio data system

Telematics
•Voice directions only via subscription service navigation system
•Hands free phone
•OnStar telecommunications service
Exterior Features

Roof and Glass
•Variable intermittent wipers
•Privacy glass
•Rear defogger
•Intermittent rear wiper
•Roof rack

Tires and Wheels
•Polished alloy wheels
•18 x 8.0 in. wheels
•Steel spare wheel
•P255/55R V tires
•All season tires
•Underbody mounted spare tire
•Temporary spare tire

Doors
•Fixed lifgate window
•Rear power liftgate door

Towing and Hauling
•Cargo tie downs

Safety Features
•4-wheel ABS
•Front and rear head airbags
•Dual front side-mounted airbags
•Child seat anchors
•Remote anti-theft alarm system
•Emergency braking assist
•Front and rear ventilated disc brakes
•Rear door child safety locks
•Daytime running lights
•Engine immobilizer
•Front fog/driving lights
•High pressure washers headlamps
•Auto delay off headlamps
•Dusk sensing headlamps
•Xenon high intensity discharge headlamp
•2 front headrests
•3 rear headrests
•Passenger airbag occupant sensing deactivation
•Rear center 3-point belt
•Front seatbelt pretensioners
•Stability control
•Traction control
•Electronic brakeforce distribution
•Rear height adjustable headrests
•Post-collision safety system
•Tire pressure monitoring

Phew.

I don't have the formal build sheet yet but options it seems to have:
- Rear A/C
- Wood steering wheel (upper area)
- Additional 12V outlet (4 total)
- Power adjustable pedals
- 3rd row seating w/ power folding seat back (this is for small children only, but can be handy sometimes)
- In-dash single CD (a "downgrade" option from the in-dash changer), possibly related to:
- Rear seat entertainment (plays DVDs, aux input, screen, individual left/right headphone jacks with individual volume controls, branded Panasonic)
- BOSE 5.1 Surround audio (not sure if they are all the 5.1 system or not but this one has it), may also include DVD-audio compatibility
- Navigation w/ voice activation and touch screen (ooo, modern)
- Sport package (seems to include unique front/rear fascias, body colored grill and fancier exhaust tips)
- 20" wheel package (255/50s all around, also includes standard limited-slip diff!!)
- Ultraview Plus roof (not just the big-ass glass moonroof with big-ass power sliding shade, but a rear glass roof over the 3rd row with its own power sliding shade)

The climate controls are dual zone, as you'd expect, but the controls for fan and vent setting are a little different than I'm used to. It essentially acts like a manual fan switch and a manual vent selector switch, but both knobs have an auto position, meaning you can put one or both into auto as you wish. That might actually be more intuitive than what I'm used to. This is more analog. The downside is someone unfamiliar with auto climate control might be compelled to just use the system in manual mode (temperature control is always automatic). There is also an auto recirculate mode. It even has an air quality sensor. No idea how that works. To the manual!
Air Quality Sensor: Your vehicle may have an air quality sensor to help limit the climate control system from pulling in irritating or harmful exhaust fumes from other vehicles. This sensor, when active, monitors the air quality in front of your vehicle and switches to air recirculation when poor quality air is detected outside your vehicle. The air quality sensor does not activate due to organic odors like skunk, and may not activate on many chemical-related odors. If you wish to limit these types of odors, manually select recirculation.

To activate the air quality sensor, if your vehicle has one, select the Auto Air Inlet on your climate control display. The word AUTO is shown in the center of the display under the outline shape of a vehicle. While the air quality sensor senses poor quality air, the recirculation graphic appears above the AUTO symbol.

Under some conditions, the air quality sensor system does not operate. In cold weather, the system might not be active (even if AUTO is displayed) because of concerns of fogging your windows, which may occur by activating recirculation mode. Also, the air quality sensor system does not remain in recirculation mode for extended periods of time that could cause stuffy or very dry conditions in the vehicle. Following a poorly running vehicle for an extended period of time may not keep recirculation active indefinitely.

The air quality sensor system does not protect against carbon monoxide (CO), which you cannot see or smell
Bluetooth is not available! WTF! Oh well, at least it has aux in. It also doesn't have a telescoping steering wheel (neither does my CTS-V). Doesn't have adjustable hatch opening.

I do not know if it has the MR shocks. Based on what I'm seeing, it probably does. I would assume that is either a common or possibly mandatory option with the 20" wheels to help the ride not be terrible (it's not terrible).

I also do not know if it has auto rear load leveling. If it is the MR shocks, I think load leveling is by air. Otherwise, possibly mechanical like my CTS-V.

But back to the interior. Jamie liked the room much better than the CTS wagon. Better visibility, too.

We put in Frozen in the DVD system and played it for Ian as Jamie test drove the car around town and eventually into Newport. The audio system is very good. The low frequency effects from the movie sounded great, and so did the surround sound.

Powertrain
Northstar V8, 4.6L
320 hp @ 6400rpm
315 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm
RPO LH2, modified quite a bit in 2004 for RWD applications (and hopefully gremlin-free)
In the transition from FWD to RWD/AWD applications, the Northstar went from being transversely mounted to longitudinally mounted. Changes were major, and included the LH2 gaining variable valve timing (VVT), electronic throttle control (ETC), a boost in compression, a stronger engine block, a more powerful engine controller, polymer-coated pistons, high-performance exhaust valves, and a host of other technical enhancements
It may do all of that on regular gas, too. The engine has a decent torque curve though is probably a little biased to the mid-high end of the tach. It pulls nicely to redline.

I take it back (about the fuel). From the manual:
If your vehicle has the 4.6L V8 engine (VIN Code A), use premium unleaded gasoline with a posted octane rating of 91 or higher. You can also use regular unleaded gasoline rated at 87 octane or higher, but your vehicle’s acceleration could be slightly reduced, and you might notice a slight audible knocking noise, commonly referred to as spark knock.
Has the newer 6L50 trans (new for 2007)

This engine is nice and smooth and sounds good, too. Trans shifts well. It's probably about even with the CTS wagon V6, but felt a touch slower to me. Could be the 20s. Apparently traps 94mph with the 18s (C/D ran a 14.9 @ 94 in the above article). That should be enough to walk an LT1 B-body. Which is how I understand how fast things are.

One issue with the earlier ones (04-05) was transfer case chain stretch, which revealed itself in a nasty popping if you could get the front axle to "engage" under some torque load. I turned T/C and stabilitrack completely off and found some sand in a gas station (I added 3 gallons before our big test drive). I nailed the throttle and it seemed to spin all 4, and no popping heard. Hooray.

Chassis
The steering wheel is a good size, even a tad on the smaller side. But the ratio on center is slow. It does build off center, for easier maneuvering. I detected no play. It was easy to drive and steer. In spite of the giant steamroller tires, it did not tramline. The brake feel was better than the CTS wagon, but again, that car I think was due for some brake maintenance.

The chassis does not feel as solid as it does on the original Sigma cars (first and second gen CTS). My theory on that is safety regs for a crossover are less strict, and so there is less strengthening of the unibody. That, and there may also be less strengthening because this is not supposed to be an ultra-high performance vehicle. But it's also not a wimpy FWD based crossover. Its peers are any of the German RWD-based crossovers that you can think of, not stuff like a Highlander or Pilot.

Still, I did enjoy driving it. Just not as much as the CTS wagon. I think this is normal given the much higher center of gravity and higher curb weight.

It does have only 52.5% front weight bias, so that's pretty balanced.

Jamie would have to get used to it as her Malibu is pretty much the normal, light, easy to see out of and maneuver 90s car.

Back at the dealer, I negotiated $13,900 including her Malibu as a trade (wrote up as $14,500 for the SRX minus $600 for the Malibu). Edmunds says $15,559 as dealer retail and the sticker was $16,900. I did alright. And I don't have to deal with meeting sketchy-ass people for a $1000 Malibu over a period of however many weeks.

The biggest win for me is that I will have no problem taking this vehicle wherever we go as a family, despite the Caprice-like fuel economy. It may actually be capable of over 20 on the highway if the driving style permits, based on some accounts I read.

A couple pics to follow.
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