New Camaro SS Pricing

[Adam]

From the Corba article, they mention the 2000 Cobra R was $55,675. Not exactly a bargain. Especially when you look at the equipment list.

[kevm14]

Like I said, it's a cool Mustang, but if you could wait a year, you got more performance, more refinement, more comfort, and even more fuel economy.

[bill25]

Yeah but then you would have to drive a Corvette... And go golfing, with khaki shorts and stupid boat shoes, maybe without socks. Get into conversations with people about who makes more money while you both wish that you could afford a 911 to really settle the score. Yuck.

[kevm14]

So my statements are fact based and yours are based on worrying that people may think a certain thing (which wouldn't be true, unless you really WOULD start golfing). Got it.

[kevm14]

So I guess the Camaro 1SS has features and advantages over the Mustang:
- Alpha platform was developed for Cadillac and while I'm sure they took some cost out of it for Camaro use, it's still considered a premium platform
- Direct injected Gen V LT1 V8 (not necessarily something more expensive to make than the Coyote, but something good you get for the price difference)
- 7" touchscreen MyLink or whatever it is
- Auto climate control (I love this but Bill doesn't care and probably hates being forced to pay for it even though it's not really much extra cost to GM)
- 4G LTE Wifi hotspot (not understanding the attraction of this, and the hardware cost of this is very small but it is a "feature" nonetheless)
- Tremec TR6060 is a better trans than the Getrag MT82 (the internet is littered with issues on the MT82)

I would wager an informed guess that adding content is a way to hide the true hardware cost that exists in the platform on the parts like the chassis itself, the transmission and maybe the V8 depending on how much the LT1 costs.

So the above list actually are things that apply AFTER you configure the Mustang with the supposedly equivalent Performance Pack, which puts it $1600 cheaper. For all the talk of wanting a base model V8 with crank windows, I just don't think those would make a dent in sales. And maybe the more important point is it wouldn't result in that much cheaper of a car.

[kevm14]

I agree the prices seem high, but lets put this in perspective.

A fully optioned out 2SS with auto should be right around $46,380, and $44,885 with the manual, delete MRC and now your at $43,190 with the DME. The first 'Stang GT that MT tested was a manual and as tested was $46,380.

Sounds like the pricing is right on par, and given the new Camaro SS is supposed to be as good or better than the 1LE package, I would say the Camaro can still be considered the bargain of the 2. The pricing is still competitive looking at it this way.

Yes the base prices are higher than many would like, but the volume sellers are still comparable in the long run.

[Adam]

What's the point of this thread again? The V8 Mustang is terrible? Or over priced? I can't remember.

Fun fact: the '93 Cobra R came with no warranty!

[kevm14]

The point was Bill thinks everything should cost what it did in the 90s.

[kevm14]

A 1995 Z28 configured in a fairly common way (leather, A/C, defroster, cruise, fog lights, power windows and mirrors, etc.) was $22,556 MSRP. Using an online inflation calculator that comes to $35,322.04 in 2015 dollars. To be totally fair, I should go configure an SS from the 4th gen days since the new SS is similar. It is easy to see that it would be equivalent to SS pricing.

I don't see how this is relevant. Buying new cars is stupid. Unless other people are doing it. Then they should definitely buy them and then sell them to me at pennies on the dollar. And actually for how I like my cars, the more standard features a car has, the better it is for me buying it used down the road. It made buying a CTS-V into really just a color combo choice, of which there aren't many. In fact, finding one at all was the challenge, not finding one configured just the way I like. Since they all came with everything (ok, moonroof was optional on 04-05 and most have it).

Contrast that to looking for a 4th gen Maxima back in the day. You'd have to wade through a ton of cloth automatic GXEs before you find the SEs, then you need to make sure it has leather, BOSE, auto climate control, the moonroof AND the 5-speed. They made a bunch like that but they also made a bunch not like that.

That actually brings up another good point. You can enjoy options and features as a used car buyer since the original owner already paid out the ass for that stuff. By the time it gets to me, it's cheap to get the one with a few more things on it. Nav is a perfect example. I'd have a hard time paying for it as a standalone option but on a used car? Give it to me. It probably doesn't drive up the resale that much. For not much extra cost, all that luxury crap significantly increases my daily enjoyment of the car.

[Adam]

...all that luxury crap significantly increases my daily enjoyment of the car.

Unless it moves the wrong mirror when you are in reverse.