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				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:41 am
				by kevm14
				
			 
			
					
				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:48 pm
				by Adam
				
Sounds like they didn't read about the Ford Pinto fuel tank ordeal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pint ... ontroversy 
			
					
				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:56 am
				by Adam
				Just saw an interesting presentation about this.
http://youtu.be/xZSU1FPDiao
From this year's CCC, two engineers look at the situation. In the first half, one talks about how ECU F/W is developed and other inside information about how cars are made. In the second half, the other one reverse engineers the code in a VW ECU and talks about the structure of the S/W and how it "cheats".
It's an hour long, but worth watching if you have the time.
 
			
					
				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:11 am
				by kevm14
				Ooh, that'll be great.  Do you have a 30 second version for Ed?
			 
			
					
				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:21 am
				by kevm14
				Ha the beginning is hilarious.
			 
			
					
				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:26 am
				by Adam
				kevm14 wrote:Ooh, that'll be great.  Do you have a 30 second version for Ed?
30 second version:
Because of the way the requirements are developed and how things are tested, lots of people had to know about this. They explain how engineers are good at optimizing for a known condition, the standard emissions test driving cycle. The code is a literal implementation of an electronic circuit rather than traditional flow control based code. They detect the driving cycle and switch which emissions model they use in the S/W which ends up under injecting urea, hence increased emissions.
 
			
					
				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:27 am
				by Adam
				I should also note that these are Germans looking at a Euro market car. The US emissions code may be even more sneaky.
			 
			
					
				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:57 am
				by kevm14
				This may explain why euro mpg estimates are so much higher than US ones.
			 
			
					
				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:02 am
				by kevm14
				He makes it sound like European OEMs all outsource their ECUs.
			 
			
					
				Re: VW US Diesel emissions debacle
				Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:07 am
				by Adam
				kevm14 wrote:He makes it sound like European OEMs all outsource their ECUs.
Yeah, to Bosch. Not totally unbelievable.