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Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:40 am
by kevm14
That may reflect more poorly on the Mirage than the Z06.

Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:29 pm
by kevm14
This might qualify.

https://providence.craigslist.org/cto/5978416747.html
2008 Chevrolet Impala SS 5.3 V8 300 HP Leather 119k - $5995 (North Dighton)
08 chevy impala ss 118k miles. Runs and drives perfect. Clean in and out. Rear bumper has paint chips. Car hauls ass. LS4 5.3 V8 over 300hp. Ultimate sleeper. Comes with 3 month powertrain warranty. Selling for only $5,995
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I want to say 101 mph trap. I will look it up.

This would make a hell of a winter beater.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/200 ... -road-test

14.2 @ 101.

Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:31 pm
by kevm14
This comment is still my favorite review.
Everybody said this car is what was so wrong with GM in the past.

Inexpensive materials, two hands on the wheel handling, huge torque and good horsepower for the weight of the car.

It reminds me of a time when cars and American life was cheap, fun and fast.

I've owned Audis, BMW's, a Mitsu EVO, SVT Mustangs, but this car is more real fun than all of them combined.

It's almost free. Used. . . I paid less for a perfect conditioned 2008 than I did on the down payment of the Audi. With magnaflows, a tune, new intake and headers, it draws heads ever time you pull into a parking space.

It's trunk has the utility of any new SUV and if I was in the body disposal business, I could throw 4 fat guys in the trunk without lowering the pass through seats. I would imagine they sold a lot of these in New Jersey.

When I rumble up to a stop, someone usually walks up and says "wow, that car is sick" and that's living on the westside of L.A. where NOBODY drives anything made in North America, except SUVs.

The best part is it's stealth to the ticket happy California police. Twice I've passed cops on the 10 going about 90 and both times they passed me back lights flashing to chase down a BWM or Audi with flat paint and black wheels.

I've been waved at by so many cops I believe they think it must be some kind of undercover police vehicle, or maybe because it's black.

This machine takes me back to my past where cars didn't have to be computerized Danish modern, leather contoured works of computer controlled art. It's just a car, with a few knobs, buttons, a steering wheel and the ability to smoke the tires like John Force.

Granted it smokes the fronts, but I like that as I can see the results come through the air conditioning vents.

Living in the new Normal where everyone is so P.C. and the 25 year old Trophy generation I employ think their being punished by only being able to afford a 328 3 series instead of an M5, this car makes me smile every time I remote start it.

And don't kid yourself. Every time the 25 year olds drive it, they say, wow this thing is really fun.

Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:34 pm
by kevm14
https://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/impal ... ad-test-2/
If General Motors has a distinctive engineering tradition it's a weird commitment to V8 front-drivers. Since the introduction of the 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado, GM has always had at least one V8-powered front-driver in its product line. Usually two
Now that's an interesting legacy.

Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:08 pm
by kevm14
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrole ... impala-ss/
The strategy is–listen up, old-timers–remarkably similar to what Chevy did in the 1960s. There’ll be no SS for every model, unlike what Mercedes-Benz AMG seems to be doing. “So you won’t have an Uplander SS,” Campbell says to the auto world’s relief. But it has eight SS models in the pipeline, plus two more variations of the Cobalt SS on the way, all designed to bring power, handling, and pizzaz to the people. SSR and Silverado SS are on the market (the new rear-drive Silverado SS is tested elsewhere in these pages), with the Cobalt SS Supercharged making its way to customers now, and the SS TrailBlazer, Impala, Monte Carlo, Malibu, and Malibu Maxx in the pipeline in time for the 2006-model-year launch. And Chevy is prepping a 170-horsepower, 2.4-liter, naturally aspirated Cobalt SS sedan and coupe for autumn. It’ll offer young buyers a lower entry point and potentially better insurance rates as an easy way into the SS line. Chevy won’t talk about it yet, but expect an HHR SS with the 2007 Pontiac Solstice’s 240-horsepower turbo four next year.
Well Bill, there's your performance Chevy line. Pre-recession of course.

Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:12 pm
by kevm14
You might expect Chevy to load up these cars and trucks with enough standard equipment that just a few options are available, but they’re relatively low on content. “You’ve got to be able to reach out to a lot of people,” Wallace says. He recalls his 1967 Camaro R/S with heavy-duty brakes and delete options for the heater and radio to keep weight down. You can’t do that with a modern SS, but the leather seats, including an inviting leather-and-alcantara combo in the TrailBlazer, are optional. The SSR is the only Super Sport you can’t get with cloth seats. For the 2005 Silverado SS, Chevy removed standard leather, all-wheel drive, and other equipment to lower the base price by $4315.
So they literally did this already, 10 years ago.

Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:15 pm
by kevm14
kevm14 wrote:http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrole ... impala-ss/
The strategy is–listen up, old-timers–remarkably similar to what Chevy did in the 1960s. There’ll be no SS for every model, unlike what Mercedes-Benz AMG seems to be doing. “So you won’t have an Uplander SS,” Campbell says to the auto world’s relief. But it has eight SS models in the pipeline, plus two more variations of the Cobalt SS on the way, all designed to bring power, handling, and pizzaz to the people. SSR and Silverado SS are on the market (the new rear-drive Silverado SS is tested elsewhere in these pages), with the Cobalt SS Supercharged making its way to customers now, and the SS TrailBlazer, Impala, Monte Carlo, Malibu, and Malibu Maxx in the pipeline in time for the 2006-model-year launch. And Chevy is prepping a 170-horsepower, 2.4-liter, naturally aspirated Cobalt SS sedan and coupe for autumn. It’ll offer young buyers a lower entry point and potentially better insurance rates as an easy way into the SS line. Chevy won’t talk about it yet, but expect an HHR SS with the 2007 Pontiac Solstice’s 240-horsepower turbo four next year.
Well Bill, there's your performance Chevy line. Pre-recession of course.
Fun comparison of three Impala SSs at the end. 1960s, 1990s and the 2006.

Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:55 am
by bill25
The problem is that most of these aren't what we would actually want.

SS TrailBlazer, Impala, Monte Carlo, Malibu, and Malibu Maxx in the pipeline in time for the 2006-model-year launch. And Chevy is prepping a 170-horsepower, 2.4-liter, naturally aspirated Cobalt SS sedan and coupe for autumn

The Impala, Monte Carlo, Malibu, and Malibu Maxx were all FWD. How exciting would these have realistically been? As you can see, the LS4 cars are not in demand. And a 170 HP Cobalt... Not sure where that would place against sports cars of the time. It is at least a step in the right direction though.

If this were the south where it doesn't snow a 2WD Silverado SS would be cool but not so much here, and the SSR, HHR and TrailBlazer... I don't see myself actually buying any of these. I think that was the problem back then. All FWD platforms, or ugly weird Truck/car things.

Lipstick on a pig comes to mind...

I agree the LS4 winter beater might be cool, and the TrailBlazer SS isn't bad if it was reliable, the regular late 90's Blazers were not...

Currently, if I won the lottery, I would have a gen6 ZL1, and a Focus RS for the winter (yes, winter tires).
If I don't win the lottery, a Gen 5 SS maybe 1LE, and a Mazda3 for the winter...

The point is that aside from the Camaro, GM still doesn't make a car I want, and it is going on 30 years now. Wow... (Last car GM made that I want that is not a Camaro, is a G-body Monte Carlo SS, etc.) It has been 30 years since they made something like that. That is really sad. You could argue the new SS could be a contender, and you would be right. Maybe the G8 too. Unfortunately, the numbers available will are very low.

Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:17 am
by kevm14
I mostly agree that I don't want many of those cars 10 years later, but the bigger point was, at the time GM was really working on creating a diverse line of SS products that weren't priced out of reach of regular people. They had a far more diverse range than they have now.

SSR - don't really care. The Prowler of trucks?
Silverado SS - I think this had an LQ9 so that's something. An early 03-05 AWD one wouldn't be terrible if the price was right. 4.10 gears. 345 hp. If only it had the 4L80E instead of the 4L65E...
Trailblazer SS - these were decent performance vehicles and could tow like a 1/2 ton truck. 4L70E transmission didn't hold up and they had other weird issues.
Cobalt SS - the turbo is legit and I would rock one as a daily driver today if I had the opportunity. The sedan of course.
HHR SS - I also like this. Like the Cobalt, there is that GM Stage 1 tune that bumps up to 290 hp. Clearly this would be fun.
Malibu Maxx SS - kind of funny that they even made this. The Maxx is a useful vehicle and the 3900 had acceptable performance (240hp). Nothing really exciting going on here, though.
Impala SS - we already talked about this
Monte Carlo SS - same thing as the Impala SS, just in a coupe

There was the 04-06 GTO, the G8 in 2008 and of course Cadillac was doing V-series stuff since 2004. Plenty of performance offerings in that decade.

Re: Bang for the Buck Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:45 am
by bill25
I mostly agree. The GTO to me was a Camaro/Firebird/Trans Am replacement during that time, and doesn't count as a car "besides the Camaro" in the lineup.

They definitely had a more diverse lineup but the HHR, SSR and Malibu Maxx are stupid niche markets that I would never drive. The cobalt could have had a chance if it wasn't so ugly.

The car that isn't mentioned that should have carried on for diversity is the Sky. That really gave them a different platform to evolve. (I say the Sky because it looked way better than the Solstice).

I wouldn't mind an LS4 Monte or Impala SS if the price were right as a daily driver, but realistically, that is all I would even consider from this lineup besides a Silverado SS. Problem for me is I am not going to daily a truck, or pay a premium for one to just do truck stuff so realistically, the Silverado SS is most likely out.