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Discontinued after 2015

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:42 am
by bill25
Here is a list:

http://www.insidercarnews.com/10-cars-t ... er-2015/1/


Not sure how credible this is.

Some surprises, some, surprised they made them to begin with... Kevin might cry.

Re: Discontinued after 2015

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:56 am
by kevm14
The SS is such bullshit for the reason that the G8 GXP is very rare and has not depreciated enough to be a good used car value. I think the same will happen with the SS, despite claims of it being unloved. Can they make these cars for more than 2 fucking years at a clip, please??

I realize it could be more aggressive but I don't see what the big problem with this is:

http://www.insidercarnews.com/chevrolet ... r-2015-ss/

For its go-after-the-Germans mission, I think more restrained styling from the Charger is entirely appropriate.

Re: Discontinued after 2015

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:32 am
by bill25
I think that the price scared away a lot of people.

This is interesting:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102247208
Apparently, a lot more 50K plus cars are selling than I thought, but this trend really started this year so maybe Chevy pulled the cord too soon.

The article does say that most cars purchased in this range and up are luxury or SUV's, and the SS is really neither.

I don't think Chevy selling a full sized RWD sports car is out of the question. I think they just need to regroup and figure out what platform (not Australian).

Re: Discontinued after 2015

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:53 am
by kevm14
The top comment in the post is, surprise, about the SS. Here's what one guy had to say:
The SS was a rebadged Pontiac G8, a great car with a strong cult following. After Pontiac got axed in GM's restructuring, they brought it back as the SS. But here is why it didn't sell.
Ok we've established that the G8 looked like a Holden VE and the SS looks like a Holden VF. The VF is better than the VE in every way except, perhaps, aggressive styling. But people need to stop saying "rebadged G8." G8 was on VE...
(1) The G8 had sexy Pontiac styling, people often mistook it for a BMW with its side profile and twin grille, the SS looks like a Malibu. If GM has spent a bit on money on a front end panel and hood to give it more of a Camaro look, things could have been different. Even a nickel for Camaro taillights would have helped.
Mistook for a BMW is weak and simply because of the Pontiac kidney grill aesthetic. The SS looking like the Malibu is not incorrect logically but perhaps the Malibu also needs more aggressive styling (and is getting it in 2016 or so).
(2) GM didn't keep the car updated, a 6 year old game plan won't cut it. The LS2 engine had only 415 hp and terrible gas mileage. The LT1 engine paired with a 8 speed would provide much better gas mileage (no guzzler tax) and 460 hp, which is needed to be competitive with the Charger SRT8's 485 hp.
Ok, the LS3 was fairly old, but was also keeping the price down. It shipped with a sharp exhaust note. The performance of the SS, I think, was acceptable, since it was lighter and had a better chassis than the competition. However, gas mileage was never a strong suit, no matter how you slice it. That may have been a detractor for folks looking for a family car.
(3) The SS cost too much. The G8GT was a $33K car fully loaded, the G8GXP, which is virtually identical to the SS, cost $37K. For the $47K this car cost, you were competing against the Charger SRT8, which has its own distinctive grille and a 485 hp V8, and starting this year, and 8 speed automatic.
This part is BS. Just pure BS. A "fully loaded" G8 GT means nothing. That car was not competitive with features and accommodations.

An SS fully loaded is fully competitive. If you load up an RT like an SS, you end up with a similarly priced vehicle that cannot match its performance. If you get a stripper SRT8, you may out-accelerate the SS but you'll be lacking many of the options. The only real issue with the SS was that there was no starter model in the mid to high $30k range.
So GM was asking people to pay top dollar for a musclecar that was light on horsepower but thirsty, and anonymous on the road when buyers want a car that gets noticed. While the SS had vastly better handing than the Charger, that was not enough. GM has turbocharged V8 versions of the Commodore it sells in Australia, why didn't they send one of those 550-600 hp engines with the SS?
Sure, the SS could have used a higher performing version but it is incredibly rare to bring out the very special, high performance version of a model on the first year. CTS-V, G8 GXP, 300C SRT-8, BMW M5 and the list goes on and on.

I would wager that
1) GM had to sell the SS loaded due to the lousy exchange rate in Australia (so they wouldn't have made money on a $35k base V8 - probably would have lost money), which means traditionally high margin options simply added up to an overall margin that was probably minimally acceptable to justify the car in the first place,
2) Given that price was already an issue, they couldn't afford to certify a bespoke drivetrain in an already expensive-to-import vehicle (there is no LT1 + 8L90 Holden VF currently) and the SS was NEVER intended to do 30k sales a year,
3) They also couldn't afford to do more with the styling than what came inherently with the platform

So does this mean we should not have gotten the car? Some would argue, yes. I would argue no, because the car has too much good engineering to waste, and, UNLIKE any G8, the interior quality and luxury features are totally competitive with the rest of the industry. It is a better car than any G8 ever was, and yet...

Re: Discontinued after 2015

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:26 am
by bill25
I am not saying that we shouldn't have gotten the car, but the market has spoken, and people weren't willing to pay that much for what it ended up being.

Question:

Why couldn't they make the SS on the Camaro platform cheaply? The V8 Camaro starts at 33K.

If this came on that chassis without leather and suede everywhere (more like a Caprice), I bet it could have started at 35K, and I would almost guarantee it would have sold, even with the exterior styling as is, because it really wasn't that bad.

Unfortunately in todays world, where most people don't desire performance, the sad truth is that for 45-50K, people would prefer a German luxury "status symbol" over actual performance. I want a Camaro to smoke those douchers at the light!

Re: Discontinued after 2015

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:35 am
by bill25
Wait, that is what I thought (not messing around, I just looked it up).

They are on the same platform - Zeta.

So they could have made a 35K SS, they just didn't. I think that was a fatal mistake. They should have at least opened at 35K and incrementally raised it as popularity rose.

This is another example of GM demanding more than people are ready to pay.

Also, If they only wanted a luxury/performance car, and not just performance, they shouldn't have made it a Chevy.

Chevy isn't luxury. Nobody looking to spend 45K thinks Chevy is a luxury brand, so they probably didn't even look at it.

Maybe it should have been the Buick GS instead. That would have given Buick credibility. the GS nameplate some respect, and might have even sold!

Re: Discontinued after 2015

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:14 pm
by kevm14
billgiacheri wrote:Wait, that is what I thought (not messing around, I just looked it up).

They are on the same platform - Zeta.!
From Wiki:
The new version of the Zeta platform was introduced with the new Holden VF Commodore and the Chevrolet SS in 2013.[2]
They aren't actually the same platform. Zeta is the umbrella that GM was putting its global RWD platforms under (VE and VF are somehow both considered "Zeta") but VF and the original "Zeta" that underpins Camaro aren't actually the same platform. They are related, of course.

They would have had to make the SS in this country, basically, if they wanted to sell a cheaper version.
billgiacheri wrote:Chevy isn't luxury. Nobody looking to spend 45K thinks Chevy is a luxury brand, so they probably didn't even look at it.!
But look at what a loaded Taurus SHO costs. And what it is equipped with. I realize Ford doesn't have Buick in the middle but there is precedent for something at the Chevrolet level to be not totally bargain basement.

Re: Discontinued after 2015

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:07 pm
by bill25
Well,


Ford apparently isn't selling those either...:


2014 - Ford Taurus, 2,328 units sold - http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_ford_jan ... rcent.html
2013 - Around 10 percent of all Taurus sales leave the showroom with a SHO badge on the fender, - http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/10/2013 ... ve-review/

Accurate data hasn't been found yet, but it doesn't look good.

Re: Discontinued after 2015

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:38 pm
by Adam
billgiacheri wrote:Well,


Ford apparently isn't selling those either...:


2014 - Ford Taurus, 2,328 units sold - http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_ford_jan ... rcent.html
2013 - Around 10 percent of all Taurus sales leave the showroom with a SHO badge on the fender, - http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/10/2013 ... ve-review/

Accurate data hasn't been found yet, but it doesn't look good.
Those numbers probably don't cover the Ford Interceptor police vehicles and variants (Turbo/non-turbo). I probably see more police vehicles than civilian vehicles 'round these parts.