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The moist air is denser than dry air myth
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:20 pm
by kevm14
We talked about this the other day. The context was that I decided to vent my dryer into my basement for the winter, to preserve both the heat loss (the dryer causes cold outside air to enter the house to replace the air it is pumping out) and the moisture. Given the way I have the hose setup, I think my only real issue might be a slow buildup of lint/dust in the air over time. I will monitor this. I'm not worried about the moisture because I have a dehumidifier and it does not run all the time, so my moisture level in the basement is therefore not too high.
But one comment was that my idea can't possibly work because moist air is more dense than dry air, and therefore will stay in the basement, not benefitting the rest of the house. Well, that's wrong.
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/260/
Not only is moist air less dense, but moist WARM air is even less dense, further increasing the effectiveness of this experiment.
Bonus for my application: I have forced hot air so all of my air is continuously filtered in the winter. No the basement doesn't have HVAC registers but it probably means the rest of the house won't get linty.
And if the lint really did become a problem, there are a number of solutions here:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss? ... ent+filter
Bonus 2 for my application: my basement is unfinished which means it is a 1,080 sq ft room. A small washer/dryer room would likely build up too much moisture.
Re: The moist air is denser than dry air myth
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:51 pm
by bill25
According to this, the water vapor does rise... into the attic causing problems.
http://www.oldhouseweb.com/how-to-advic ... side.shtml
Re: The moist air is denser than dry air myth
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:16 am
by kevm14
That is certainly possible. Fortunately, I have a digital hygrometer in my bedroom that would make it very easy to identify a situation as described in that link. With regard to that link and recommendation though, I found that this response on another forum does fit the bill pretty well:
It seems that many of the people here are simply answering based on their personal experience for their particular scenario. Fact is, in the winter most homes NEED more humidity hence the reason people by humidifiers that they run in the winter time. So to say that it’s not a good idea because of the moisture is NOT applicable in all situations.
During the winter (which is when you would be using your dryers heat to heat the home) is when the extra moisture would be welcomed in most cases. So you can’t simply say it’s not a good idea because of moisture. It’s just not true. You have to look at each scenario based on its on merits. Determine weather or not your home would benefit from the added moisture generated from the dryer and then make YOUR decision based on YOUR needs, not some blanket response. There are two things that are definite though. One is that this is only to be done with ELECTRIC dryers and the other is to have some form of lint filtration method employed which is a totally separate issue from the moisture issue and should be addressed independently from the moisture issue
I have NOT done the research on using this method on gas dryers simply because my dryer is electric but I am certain that if you have the time and money to invest in some sort of method to eliminate and natural gas from the heated air before you vent it into your home it most certainly exists. As far as the lint issue goes there are filters available down to .5 microns which will filter out the lint with no trouble but make sure you replace/wash them accordingly. There is actually a product designed specifically for this application. It’s called “Dryer Net” from demo air net. Here is the link.
http://dryernet.com/ So that takes care of the lint issue provided you do what is required of you to maintain it. Then you can decide weather you need to address the humidity issue or if you would benefit from it.
There are plenty of websites you can visit to help you determine how to check the humidity level in your home and what if anything you need to do to lower or raise it. Always consider any specific health issues when determining weather or not your home needs more or less humidity. What’s good for one person’s health may not be good for another, so make sure you take EVERYONE’S needs into consideration when making the decision. If you decide that you need to address the humidity situation before you vent the heat into your home then and in-line duct dehumidifier should take care of that as well. They range in price from around $200 to over $2,000 depending on what you need it to do but in the case of a dryer vent you should be fine with the $200 price range units available from most home stores such as Sears. In addition to these two products there are also in-line “air valves” that can control the air flow during those times you do NOT want the heat directed into your home. Simply install the in-line valve and when you want heat to be directed into the home you open the valve to the correct position to send the heat into the home or close the valve to direct the heat to your normal exhausting direction.
Bottom line is YES you can safely and effectively use your dryer to heat your home provided you do a little research and determine what YOU need to do for YOUR specific application. In the process you can save yourself about $25 to $40 a month in heating costs thus paying for the items purchased and time used to install them over the long haul. Generally speaking if you save an average of $30 a month in heating costs by purchasing $240 worth of products the items will pay for themselves in only 8 months of usage. If you make use of your dryer for 4 months out of the year to help heat your home by the third year you will be putting money in the bank and we all love that.
Hope this helps those of you who want an answer that isn’t a blanket answer offered by previous responders to this question. Not to knock them, they most likely simply did not consider all the variables in the question therefore answered off the hip versus actual research done on the products made to do this EXACT function. Good luck and happy heating. I’m staying toasty warm in my bedroom while my clothes are drying in the laundry room.
This guy hits the nail on the head. Each application varies. And moisture isn't some mysterious force that is impossible to measure.
I will say also that last night I ran the dryer and went downstairs to check on things. The vent line was pointing down to the floor (no more than 18 inches from the floor). The concrete was quite wet in a radius from the moisture condensing on the cold floor. So clearly this method requires some care. I made sure the hose was pointed straight out and checked on it later. No moisture buildup anywhere.
It might be as simple as a box fan on low speed to immediately disperse the moisture to prevent problems.
I will also say that my bedroom hygrometer was reading 65% before I turned the dryer on and didn't change hours later. However, 65% is a bit high and it may have been premature to vent the dryer inside. I will need the moisture in the coming months, however.
Re: The moist air is denser than dry air myth
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:45 pm
by bill25
This seems reasonable. I guess I might just check the attic once in a while to ensure that the moisture isn't passing the bedroom and getting trapped in the attic.