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A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:41 am
by kevm14
http://autoweek.com/article/drive-revie ... dailydrive
The factory brakes do a decent job at slowing the Camaro down, but they begin to betray their stock nature after several hard laps. If there are any serious track junkies interested in a four-cylinder Camaro, they would do well to invest in better pads and fluid (we assume they do regardless).
Can't confirm at the moment, but I thought a Brembo package was available on all engines/trims. Maybe theirs didn't have it.
The I4 also lacks the aural richness that the V8 and, to a lesser degree, the V6 bring to the table. Next to the SS Camaro’s throaty, crackling roar and the V6’s European-ish rasp, the I4’s note is oddly nondescript but for a bit of turbo whine.
Compare any turbo 4 to the Camaro V6 and V8 and I don't think any of them will sound as good. It's just really hard without completely synthesizing it.
The stigma of the Iron Duke might be a hard one to shake for older enthusiasts
Amazing how selective the memory can be on these "older enthusiasts." This was over 30 years ago. Let it go, people.

Re: A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:12 pm
by bill25
Amazing how selective the memory can be on these "older enthusiasts." This was over 30 years ago. Let it go, people.
Haha, yeah, the 4cyl Mustang from the 80's wasn't exactly a dream either, but that almost never comes up.

Re: A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:43 pm
by kevm14
Probably because they made the SVO.

Re: A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:25 am
by kevm14
http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews ... dailydrive
Turbo four-cylinder Camaro is compelling, but interior details are still its downfall
Mainly they are still harping on visibility.

I have to ask: if GM completely changed the lines of the car to afford at least Mustang-like visibility (which is not objectively "good" but I understand it is better than the Camaro), would they actually sell more? I think GM really thinks they looked at that, and the answer was no.

Aside from all that, the car is good.

This is just the first paragraph:
A Camaro that drives light? Who'd a thunk it, but here we are. Thanks to the Alpha platform and the featherweight turbo four up front, this 2016 RS is closer in driving dynamics to a BMW 2-Series than one of the fat, flaccid F-bodies of yore. Speaking of, if a third-gen Camaro was your last four-banger ponycar experience, forget it. This engine may not make this RS the fastest Gen6, but it's brilliantly flexible, with torque everywhere you need it plus a slick six-speed stick to get the most of it. Opt for the Brembo package like our tester had and the Camaro stops with some of the best pedal feel I've experienced on a production car (second only to the Mitsubishi Evo).
Thing weighs 3,339 lbs!

Re: A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 7:14 pm
by bill25
This point is a little misleading, which is decent compared to most people's point I guess.

The gen 3 Camaro weight was 3,086.5–3,362.0 lb. So the V8 was the same weight as this, so don't call it one of the fat, flaccid F-bodies of yore. I agree that the power train was a little lacking, but for 30 years ago, it actually wasn't that bad. I have a tough time with this comment. They weren't heavy, they just didn't have 300 HP 4 and 6 cyl powertrains available in that generation/timeframe. Not really the Camaro's fault. Also, this chassis when coupled with a modern drive train actually is a very capable performer. I guess I am saying that it is easy to beat up on the past cars, but you have to understand things in context. Technology is vastly improved since then, and gas is relatively cheap. Which is all good, but the gen 3 Camaro wasn't all bad. Make fun of the dated interior, tail lights, stereotypical buyer, etc., but the performance and weight aren't unreasonable in my opinion, especially when modified to todays standards. It has a low drag coefficient, and handling was not criticized when during it's time. My Mazda 3 is like 3K lbs, so the low end weight spectrum of this car. The 3 is a compact, not a performance chassis.

Re: A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 7:18 pm
by bill25
if a third-gen Camaro was your last four-banger ponycar experience, forget it.
Oh yeah and, No Shit! Get over it, it has been 30 years. And WTF was anyone thinking buying that one? They didn't know that the specs were available beforehand? If you bought that car, you deserved to own it. Next question!

Re: A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 7:20 pm
by bill25
Opt for the Brembo package like our tester had and the Camaro stops with some of the best pedal feel I've experienced on a production car (second only to the Mitsubishi Evo).
And there goes any shred of credibility left.

Re: A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 5:56 am
by kevm14
Why? The Evo was legit. Even though it was a Shitsubishi.

Re: A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 7:46 am
by Bob
Having driven an Evo, I will say it is a legit driver's car. There's no shame in being compared to it.

Re: A/W: Camaro 2.0T

Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 3:03 pm
by bill25
Not necessarily a not at the EVO but:
best pedal feel I've experienced on a production car besides the EVO
That is a pretty strong statement.