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Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:00 pm
by kevm14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kIbRwNopWw&spfreload=1

I still like these. This is a proper luxury car.

Re: Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:02 pm
by kevm14
I do like that my only 2 year newer (and significantly cheaper) STS has a substantially more modern infotainment system.

Re: Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:22 pm
by Bob
Runs 14.0 @ 101, which is somewhat disappointing considering the cylinder count and complexity. It's basically on par with a new GTI.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/vo ... -road-test

Re: Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:06 pm
by kevm14
Well I guess the question is, what is a similar luxury car (even if it isn't quite as awesome) that is as fast or faster, for similar prices (like less than $10k)? That is really the question. It would probably be an E60 7-series. Or possibly something like an S600.

There is the STS-V but that's not really under $10k.

Re: Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:42 pm
by Bob
I guess this car isn't really about performance anyway. It's more of a plush touring car. I just can't help but think the performance will be decent when I hear 400+ HP and 12 cylinders.

Re: Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:56 am
by kevm14
Right. But my question remains...what is there?

There is a 2005 300C I guess. That probably had performance in the same ballpark, not faster. And the car itself is light years away in terms of...everything.

I think you'll find a fairly short list of anything that can be called a luxury car under $10k (especially under $8k) that traps over 101. We should make that list.

Re: Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:55 am
by Bob
E55 AMG comes to mind, though I'm not sure if you consider that a luxury car.

Re: Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:05 am
by kevm14
Sure it is.

Re: Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:26 am
by Bob

Re: Doug DeMuro: VW Phaeton W12

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:28 pm
by kevm14
I think you are right.

And it's probably faster than the fastest 2-door you can buy for the same money.