99 Ram: won't start, or won't idle
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:42 am
I have had intermittent starting issues with this for probably most of the time I've owned it. I thought it was the fuel rail prime. Maybe it still has that issue. I am not sure this is related, so with that out of the way...
What it did today was crank, fire, and die. It did that again. Then it would just crank and not fire. So I'm thinking...OK, the fuel pump finally died? But I could hear it when I cycled the key. Next I tried some throttle to see if I could get it to start or stay running. That actually worked. And it seemed to run fine but if I let off the throttle it would die.
My first thought was TPS. So I got out my OBD-II scantool and checked the data stream. KOEO, TPS was like 13% with no throttle and like 75% at WOT. I thought that was wrong because on my Caprice, it would actually read the full 0-100%. I've seen many OBD-II cars that act weird with respect to the TPS so that wasn't enough to call anything since I have no idea what is normal for this truck. I looked in the datastream for TPS voltage and....nothing. The OBD-II generic stream sucks. My Caprice had TPS voltage.
But what I could do was unplug it and see what changed. So I did that. The ECU strategy was to fix the TPS @ 100% which makes sense. Didn't run any differently though. And immediately popped a TPS code for open circuit so that all seemed as expected.
My next logical place to go was the IAC. On this truck it is at the rear of the throttle body. I defaulted to the way the IAC system works on my Caprice to troubleshoot. I turned the key on with the expectation that the IAC would try to go to the park position, then unplugged the harness, and started the truck. It started and idled at 750 rpm but obviously had no IAC control. I plugged it in while running. No change. Shut it off, restarted, and everything seemed normal. Normal idle flare, normal settling to idle, everything. Hmm. I sprayed the plug and IAC with contact cleaner and worked the plug a few times. Not sure what that was about. I should probably try to blow some carb cleaner down the IAC passage and make sure the plunger wasn't like stuck in some carbon/oil junk or something. Or maybe it just will need an IAC soon. To be continued (it is behaving at the moment)…
BTW, this is why you should not let issues build up, because it makes fixing new issues really confusing. You may wrongly assume the new issue is the old issue getting worse when it may be completely unrelated. That would send you down a completely wrong path potentially.
That said, it MAY be related as the old issue is that on some (not all) cold starts, it idles poorly and low and that may simply be because it wants a higher idle when cold, and the IAC isn't letting enough air pass to get the idle up where it needs to be on cold start.
What it did today was crank, fire, and die. It did that again. Then it would just crank and not fire. So I'm thinking...OK, the fuel pump finally died? But I could hear it when I cycled the key. Next I tried some throttle to see if I could get it to start or stay running. That actually worked. And it seemed to run fine but if I let off the throttle it would die.
My first thought was TPS. So I got out my OBD-II scantool and checked the data stream. KOEO, TPS was like 13% with no throttle and like 75% at WOT. I thought that was wrong because on my Caprice, it would actually read the full 0-100%. I've seen many OBD-II cars that act weird with respect to the TPS so that wasn't enough to call anything since I have no idea what is normal for this truck. I looked in the datastream for TPS voltage and....nothing. The OBD-II generic stream sucks. My Caprice had TPS voltage.
But what I could do was unplug it and see what changed. So I did that. The ECU strategy was to fix the TPS @ 100% which makes sense. Didn't run any differently though. And immediately popped a TPS code for open circuit so that all seemed as expected.
My next logical place to go was the IAC. On this truck it is at the rear of the throttle body. I defaulted to the way the IAC system works on my Caprice to troubleshoot. I turned the key on with the expectation that the IAC would try to go to the park position, then unplugged the harness, and started the truck. It started and idled at 750 rpm but obviously had no IAC control. I plugged it in while running. No change. Shut it off, restarted, and everything seemed normal. Normal idle flare, normal settling to idle, everything. Hmm. I sprayed the plug and IAC with contact cleaner and worked the plug a few times. Not sure what that was about. I should probably try to blow some carb cleaner down the IAC passage and make sure the plunger wasn't like stuck in some carbon/oil junk or something. Or maybe it just will need an IAC soon. To be continued (it is behaving at the moment)…
BTW, this is why you should not let issues build up, because it makes fixing new issues really confusing. You may wrongly assume the new issue is the old issue getting worse when it may be completely unrelated. That would send you down a completely wrong path potentially.
That said, it MAY be related as the old issue is that on some (not all) cold starts, it idles poorly and low and that may simply be because it wants a higher idle when cold, and the IAC isn't letting enough air pass to get the idle up where it needs to be on cold start.