M/T: 2021 Tahoe and Suburban

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M/T: 2021 Tahoe and Suburban

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https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-ch ... first-look
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrol ... first-look

Duramax available in the Tahoe and 'Burb as rumored. I would look for a 6.2L but that's me.

The big news here I think is that the Tahoe really grew. People who got pushed to a Suburban may be served, even as a 3 row, by the Tahoe, FINALLY. The third row has like 10 more inches of legroom and the cargo behind the third row grew by 66%. Independent rear suspension.
The wheelbase of the Tahoe grew by 4.9 inches to 120.9 inches and overall length increased 6.7 inches to 210.7 inches. Like the 2021 Suburban, the Tahoe replaces the old rear live axle with a new multilink independent rear suspension. The upshot: 40 percent more third-row legroom and a whopping 66 percent more cargo room behind the third row, giving it best-in-class dimensions, Chevy says. By comparison, the 2020 Ford Expedition has 25 percent less cargo room behind the third row. The longer wheelbase also allowed for a larger rear door to make it easier to get in and out.

Third-row passengers also get an additional 10 inches of legroom and the second-row seat now slides 5.6 inches to make it easier to crawl your way to the back row.
Yeah this is looking really good.
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Re: M/T: 2021 Tahoe and Suburban

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https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrol ... E99C6CA988
2021 Chevrolet Tahoe First Ride: Chevy’s Plan to Beat Ford in Ride & Handling
IRS+leap-frogging air suspension option
General Motors owns the large SUV space with Chevrolet Tahoe/Suburban, which are by far the market share leaders—and if you add their brand siblings, the company can claim way over half of all sales. But the impressive new Ford Expedition, with its long-wheelbase Max variant and Lincoln Navigator sibling, has started eroding that market dominance over the last year. Their independent rear suspensions have afforded a more comfortable ride and roomier third row and cargo area for some time now, their feature content and fit/finish took a recent quantum-leap forward in the latest redesign, and the twin-turbo V-6 EcoBoost/10-speed automatic powertrains motivating the FoMoCo entries represent stiff competition for the GM brands.

Chevrolet is readying its response, which at long last features an independent rear suspension, revised gas V-8 engines, and a segment-exclusive inline-six diesel all mated to a 10-speed automatic (that shares its essential design with Ford's 10-speed), plus a spanking new electrical architecture that should future-proof the Tahoe, Suburban, and its siblings for all foreseeable technologies likely to appear during its lifetime. I've just had a quick test-ride in a prototype T1 generation Tahoe kitted out with its top-shelf full air suspension, and I can tell you it's poised to defend its high (sales) ground. Here's why:
Different/Better (?) Independent Rear Suspension Design
Ford employs a five-link rear suspension comprised of two trailing links and three lateral links per side. Chevy has gone with a four-link design using one very long trailing link and one equally long (approximately 29 inches by my tape measure) lower lateral link that carries the spring/damper mount, plus two upper lateral links. That super robust long trailing link is said to afford better ride isolation, thanks to a huge and squishy bushing where it mounts to the body. (It also packages conveniently out of the way outboard of the frame rails.) The lateral links, by contrast, all employ harder bushings to resist cornering loads and provide sharper handling response.

Air Springs+Magnetic Shocks+IRS=Better Ride
Three suspensions will be offered on the Tahoe and Suburban—a base variable-rate steel spring coil-over-shock setup using passive hydraulic shocks; a mid-level one pairing the same springs with magnetorheological dampers; and a top offering with air springs and the MR dampers. These are fourth-generation MR dampers that feature lower internal friction and a change away from position-sensing to accelerometer sensors at each corner. This plus the vastly quicker processing speed enabled by the robust new electrical architecture greatly increase the performance of these shocks. Meanwhile, the air springs provide load-leveling, can raise 2 inches for off-road ground clearance, lower 2 inches for passenger/cargo loading, or duck down 0.8 inch for improved aerodynamics. They allowed the engineers to spec a lower primary spring rate for improved ride quality, knowing that simply by increasing the air pressure (to level the load) the spring rates increase to handle that load.

Improved Powertrains
While the displacement, power, and torque specs haven't changed for the 5.3- and 6.2-liter V-8 engines, they're significantly revised to include the Dynamic Fuel Management cylinder deactivation (which can selectively turn off between one and seven cylinders during any particular revolution as dictated by power demand). Our ride was in a top-shelf Tahoe with the 6.2, and I can confirm that this burly V-8 makes a much more joyful noise than the somewhat guttural bark of the EcoBoost six when all eight are pulling. GM's tune of this co-developed 10-speed automatic seems every bit as savvy as Ford's—at least from the passenger seat.

How it Rides
Chevy shuttled us around a familiar ride road that's frequently used for evaluation drives at its Milford Proving Ground. We started out riding in a brand-new Ford Expedition Limited, and then ran the same loop of mixed road surfaces, rail-crossings, washboard, expansion joints, and the like in a top-trim Tahoe with the air/MR setup. We ran the route twice in the Tahoe—once in the comfort-biased default "normal" mode at the same speed we'd experienced in the Expedition, and again at higher speeds in "sport" mode. On the expansion joints it was difficult to tell much difference between the two. When crossing bumps and dips affecting only the left side of the vehicle, the Expedition tossed my head pretty violently while the Tahoe induced just the merest hint of a bobble in either mode. Chatter bumps in a corner sent the rear of the Expedition skittering outboard slightly while the Tahoe tracked through unfazed in both modes. And on the whoop-de-doos the Expedition often experienced a second or third up-and-down motion after the main event, while the Tahoe settled right down. I sensed remarkably little ride degradation in sport mode. We'll be eager to sample the more mainstream suspensions closer to the Tahoe/Suburban's mid-2020 on-sale date, but the MR shocks should be able to deliver many of the above attributes on their own.

How it Sits
While the Suburban only grows 1.3 inches (ending up 3.8 inches longer than the Expedition Max), the Tahoe is 6.8 inches longer (0.7 inch longer than Expedition). As a result, along with the more compact IRS that lowers the rear load floor by up to 5.3 inches, the Tahoe delivers darned near the same third-row seating comfort as the Suburban—certainly enough for this 5-foot-10-inch adult to ride in total comfort (which was not the case in the old knees-up Tahoe way-back.)

Potential Downsides
Official curb weights have yet to be disclosed, but we're told to expect the new trucks to gain "between 50 and 200 pounds." We'll be eager to see if aero improvements, skip-fire engines, and the 10-speed can claw back the fuel economy penalty that additional weight would otherwise cause. Likewise, towing capacities have yet to be divulged and we'll be interested to see how those air springs affect max towing. And finally, the IRS means there will be no more 2500 or 3500HD variants. No great loss as those have only been available to commercial and government buyers for some time, but those folks will be out of luck in 2021.
Air springs and MR shocks as the top suspension is a very interesting combo. I am not sure that's been done before. They mention a change away from position sensors (as my STS uses) to accelerometer based sensors. I guess that's somehow better with the fast processing available now? I'd think you would want both. The shocks work in the same domain that position sensors measure in (up and down with suspension travel). It would be nice to measure acceleration as a 2nd order effect on ride quality but as the primary input? I guess we'll see how it does. It will probably be very good.

The part at the end about packaging also is more evidence to support my point that on this go-round, the Tahoe should satisfy many more buyers who previously needed to upgrade to the Suburban. It seems like the first, 2nd and 3rd rows are about the same. Only rear cargo should be different. So if you really need to take a family of like 7 on vacation, you probably still need a Suburban. Otherwise, the Tahoe should be great.

Overall this sounds like a winning combination of technology and hopefully execution.
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Re: M/T: 2021 Tahoe and Suburban

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Some C&D stuff.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3017 ... 071&src=nl
Big SUVs are big business for General Motors, and the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban are getting even bigger thanks to a comprehensive redesign for 2021. These full-size SUVs also benefit from a new independent rear suspension (IRS), which is a big deal because it makes for bigger cargo space and bigger third-row seats (okay, we'll stop now). The 5.3-liter and 6.2-liter V-8 engines are upgraded for this new generation and there is a newly available turbo-diesel 3.0-liter inline-six engine—the only one you'll find in the full-size SUV segment.

Based on the same platform as Chevrolet's latest Silverado 1500 pickup, the Tahoe and Suburban distinguish themselves by swapping that truck's live axle and leaf springs for an independent rear multilink suspension setup with coil springs. This helps lower the floor of the vehicles, which creates more room in both the cargo area and the second- and third-row seats. These SUVs' chief rival, the Ford Expedition, has had an IRS for a while now, so it has offered significantly more interior space than the current Tahoe and Suburban. Chevy also claims that the IRS will improve the Tahoe and Suburban's ride and handling, and we had a brief ride in prototype vehicles that suggested there will be an uptick in refinement in agility. There are also multiple suspension upgrades available, including magnetorheological dampers and air springs with four inches of height adjustability.

Sized for Success
Compared to their predecessors, the new Tahoe and Suburban also get a wheelbase stretch of 4.9 inches for the Tahoe and 4.1 inches for the Suburban. The difference in size between the two shrinks somewhat, as the new Suburban is 15 inches longer overall than the new Tahoe and the old Suburban was a whole 20.4 inches longer than the old Tahoe.

This size increase, along with the new suspension setup, makes for significantly more cargo space and rear-seat room. This is especially true in the Tahoe: it now offers 26 cubic feet of space behind the third row, up from 15 cubic feet, and 34.9 inches of third-row legroom, a whopping 10-inch uptick. While the slightly smaller Tahoe benefits most from the increased size and new suspension setup, the Suburban's gains are somewhat more modest. It gains 2.0 cubic feet of cargo space behind the third row and 2.2 inches of third-row legroom. Both trucks have a few inches of additional legroom in the second row, too, which is available with a three-place bench or two-place captain's chairs and can now slide back and forth on a 10-inch track.
This all makes sense. The Tahoe really needed to be bigger. The Suburban didn't but still gets benefits of a lower load floor and stuff like that.
Chevy Silverado's Diesel Six Is Ultrasmooth
A diesel engine is an interesting addition to the lineup, and it's the same turbo-diesel 3.0-liter inline-six found in the Silverado. Here, it makes 277 horsepower and 460 lb-ft of torque, and it could achieve a 30-mpg highway EPA fuel-economy rating if it can come close to the Silverado's numbers. We found this engine to be smooth and quiet in our testing of a four-wheel-drive crew-cab Silverado, and it achieved a 26-mpg result in our 75-mph highway fuel-economy loop. The Duramax will be optional on all Tahoe and Suburban trim levels except for the off-road-focused Z71.

The base engine remains a 5.3-liter V-8; it produces the same 355 horsepower and 383 lb-ft of torque as before but now has a more sophisticated cylinder-deactivation system and an engine stop/start feature. The more powerful 6.2-liter V-8, which comes standard on the top High Country trim level, gets the same upgraded cylinder-deactivation system and start/stop and makes the same 420 hp and 460 lb-ft as before. A 10-speed automatic transmission is standard across the board, and rear-wheel drive will be standard with all-wheel drive optional. Chevy has not yet released towing figures for these new 2021 models.

More Equipment
Chevy is going all out with digital displays inside the new Tahoe and Suburban. A 10.0-inch touchscreen is standard equipment, while optional screens include a digital gauge cluster, a large color head-up display, and dual 12.6-inch entertainment screens for the second and third rows. These rear-seat entertainment screens can also send content back and forth to each other, and the front touchscreen can mirror the display from an Android smartphone.
I think these are going to regain the top position in this market, being highly desirable vehicles for large families that need these capabilities. And the class-exclusive diesel is just cool even if (again), I'd try damn hard to end up with a 6.2L. I somewhat pity the 5.3L because even as it presents perfectly reasonable performance and fuel economy, it just doesn't register at all on the "interesting" scale. Especially if you compare to an Ecoboost Expedition. But the 6.2...that gets it done. Runs 13.9 @ 100 in the pickups. Thing is stout. Probably look for a 14.2 @ 98 or 99 in the Tahoe if I had to guess.
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Re: M/T: 2021 Tahoe and Suburban

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GM is still poised to continue domination here with this pricing it seems.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-ch ... 4DB7F8840D
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