David Votoupal: On Cadillac in general

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David Votoupal: On Cadillac in general

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Post #8 & #9:
It's important to emphasize that General Motors' "downsizing" (the term invented for the movement during the seventies) program was initiated in the boardroom and the design/engineering studios several years prior to the first OPEC oil shock of 1973. This is almost unknown to the public, which has been told that GM simply reacted, in knee-jerk fashion, to the gasoline shortages that the oil embargo caused. By the time the products entered the showrooms, first with the aforementioned '75 Seville (which was almost like a sneak preview of the huge changes coming across-the-board) in 1977, with the all-new, and much lighter and smaller, GM full-sized cars, it was easy for an ill-informed (and very often MIS-informed) public to think this was true, and to castigate GM for their "tardiness". Thus, one of the sour seeds of negative feeling toward GM (and the other American automakers) was sown, to bear terrible fruit in later years.
When GM went into their second major phase of product downsizing, with the completely new 1979 X-car platform (Chevy Citation, Pontiac Phoenix, Buick Skylark, Oldsmobile Omega) the paradoxical factor of Roger Smith's management philosophy at GM took what had been a rather brilliantly conceived product (the X-cars were fabulously space-efficient, lightweight, comfortable, and safe-handling cars), and through his ruthless and STUPID cost-cutting decrees, reduced what should have been a triumph for General Motors into a massive and embarrassing product fiasco (after the initial sales success of the cars) due to deliberate quality-control and material-quality downgrading, all for the sake of the damned stockholders.

If you're looking for the foundation stones of GM's real fall from grace, look no further than the X-cars and Roger Smith. That man did more damage to General Motors than most people can imagine. The company is still struggling with his incompetency and its legacy.
Larry, in principle, I agree with all you said. However, it has to be said that whilst Roger Smith was responsible for enormous harm to the well-being of GM in those years, the problems at the company were already evident before he took over as chairman and CEO in 1981, and continued after his departure. The grave safety issues related to the X-Body- far worse than anything related to the Corvair or Pinto- became widely publicised around this time. The Vega, decline of quality across the board, "Chevymobile" and the diesel engine disaster, all happened before he took over. Smith was not responsible for every horrible misstep taken by GM, but he didn't do anything at all to stop the rot that was already evident.
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Re: David Votoupal: On Cadillac in general

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Post #16:
Anyway, something funny about the Oldsmobile diesels... it was more GM cost cutting that made them suck, reliability wise. Oh, and insufficient dealer training.

The original Olds diesels were, by no stretch of the imagination, good engines. (On the other hand, the 1982 DX-block Olds diesels, which had only the bore and stroke in common with the gasoline Olds 350 (and was popular for NASCAR use, with gasoline heads and pistons retrofitted, due to the heavy duty block,) were good, except the heads could've used more bolts holding them down. (And the Olds 4.3 V6 diesel had a revised head bolt pattern, that fixed THAT problem, too.) But, the damage was already done.)

However, the engines themselves were not the dreadful engines that everyone makes them out to be.

There were three critical flaws with the Oldsmobile diesels, none of them with the engine itself.

Flaw #1, the one responsible for the most engine failures: There was no water separator in the fuel system... so water would rust out the fuel injection pump's timing advance mechanism, increasing cylinder pressures above specification, causing something to let go (usually the head gasket.)

Flaw #2, usually evident after repairs from flaw #1: Dealers weren't trained sufficiently on how to repair the engines, and that the head bolts were one-time-use... so they reused them. Well, the head bolts were stretched now, and couldn't hold, and the head gaskets quickly blew again. (I'll note that VW dealer mechanics are known for doing this exact thing on various bolts on the TDIs, causing things like timing belt failures, and engines to fall out of cars.)

Flaw #3: Again, this one's a dealer training issue... dealers would often put cheap 10W40 gasser oil in, which couldn't handle the soot loading or high combustion chamber temperatures of the diesel engine. (Interestingly, it's yet another thing that VW dealers are infamous for - putting the wrong oil in cars. I've heard of dino oil in 1.8Ts, non-505.01-compliant oil in 2004+ TDIs, dino oil in TDIs, gasser oil in TDIs, etc., etc.)
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