Camaro Z/28 vs. 911 Turbo S vs. GT-R Track Edition

[kevm14]

Also that C7 Z06 is going to blow minds...

[kevm14]

If the car was given to me, and all scheduled and unscheduled maintenance and replacement parts were also given to me, I would go with the:
Porsche Turbo S

If the car was given to me and I had to pay for my own scheduled and unscheduled maintenance and replacement parts I would go with the:
Nissan GT-R

If it was my own money and I had to pay for my own scheduled and unscheduled maintenance and replacement parts, Hands Down the:
Camaro Z/28

(The Chevy warranty is far better than all the others and covers track use)

Interesting perspective. Makes sense, too.

[bill25]

Just think what they can do with the new chassis. I read somewhere that the gen 6 Camaro will be 300 to 400 lbs less than this platform.

[kevm14]

Yes. The ATS (on Alpha) has the best chassis in its class, so it ought to be very good.

[kevm14]

This guy makes some good points, also:

DomKing
2 days ago

Car enthusiasts have been saying for decades that GM always had the designers and engineers to compete with the best in the world, but they were held back by the bean counters and "marketing" people who couldn't care less about the actual cars. That's why we had those disgraceful interiors in the Corvettes and Cadillacs, and terrible suspensions and engines that had to be designed to fit in cars across a ridiculously wide range. This Z/28 is proof of what happens when you let people who love cars do their thing (although I am not a big fan of that high belt line and tiny greenhouse).

Now let's see if Reuss and Barra have the guts (and passion) to build a proper Grand National/GNX. Two-door, turbo V6 and/or Vette V8, manual transmission and dark-as-death all black. And while they're at, how about a manual transmission on that Chevy SS?

[kevm14]

I'm curious if Ford has anything to say about all of this. The 1LE, ZL1 and Z/28 Camaro all prove the current Mustang can't compete.

[kevm14]

Also I wonder if an article like this can sell ZL1s. Or even 1LEs. Or a Chevy SS! The amazing thing is, they are all fantastic cars, which is why I'm so excited.

[kevm14]

Some interesting discussion, and world perspective, in the responses to this first comment:

Rick Reny
2 days ago

It sure is great to see american cars finally able to compete with the best in the world after the last 40 years worth of inferior build quality, design, and engineering. The idea of a Camaro that can actually handle a corner with confidence, poise, and finesse would've been inconceivable only a few short years ago. Almost makes me proud to be an american, if it hadn't taken an absurd bailout to make it happen. There will always be an asterisk next to the achievements of american cars when this chapter in automotive history is written. There will be a parentheses (made possible by US government/taxpayers). This takes nothing away from the monumental achievements of Nissan and the legendary GTR. Here is a car that has utterly dominated as a performance value for the last 5 years, and is still the benchmark by which other performance cars "bang-for-the-buck" is rated even now as it nears the end of its life cycle. That is truly an accomplishment in the modern automotive industry as new tech constanttly arrives to advance manufacturing techniques and vehicular performance. Neither the GTR nor the Camaro are my personal cup of tea, (I prefer something smaller more lightweight and visceral myself) but both are great and highly desirable cars.

syakov79
2 days ago

@Rick Reny oh please, typical ignorant American talk. Other countries subsidize their automakers in all kinds of ways that keep those automakers relevant in today's market. The international competition faced by US automakers wouldnt be as strong as it is today without support from their home country. One glaring example is Japan where rules make imports cost prohibitive which means that domestic automakers have 90% (approx- dont know exact figure) of the market. The US and European markets are MUCH more competitive but even in Europe governments help out local automakers all the time.

Todd27
2 days ago

@syakov79 @Rick RenyThe Japanese government also HEAVILY subsidizes R&D for their domestic auto industry. That alone should get them a healthy import tax.

It is interesting, no? If these other companies get bailed out by their own government then that's kinda shitty if we let our auto industry collapse and have to take who knows how long to rebuild. Now if GM could have gotten rid of the UAW that would have been something.

[kevm14]

These articles all seem interlinked. Here's another MT article with Pobst and a video again: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/cou ... irst_test/

[kevm14]

Autoblog drives the Z/28: http://ca.autoblog.com/2014/03/27/2014- ... est-drive/

He makes a point about natural aspiration and, if you can get it, it's the ideal choice.