Global warming and politics

[Adam]

Liberals say they want to help minorities and the poor of third world countries. Yet the policies concocted do the opposite.

Turns out understanding complex systems is hard.

[kevm14]

It is hard but I think the conservative stance is, if you don't really understand, don't create legislation around it. The burden of proof is on the person asking to do something new or change something on why/how it will make something better. And politicians are notoriously bad about only looking to the first level of impacts and not 2nd order or beyond impacts. Politicians also want to stay in office which requires votes. There is a reason I am not registered as a Democrat or Republican.

[kevm14]

Well this has only gotten worse and more stupid since 2017. But let's take a turn on Nuclear Avenue for a minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciStnd9Y2ak

TEDx talk on nuclear. This is getting somewhere. It also seems to raise the point that if you are pro-environment, and you are anti-nuclear, you have some explaining to do, especially if you are also pro-renewable power (and pro-redistributionist nonsense) - then it will be obvious who is for the science and who is for the politics.

Notice how heavily he has to defend his environmentalism so people don't jump to conclusions about his credentials or motives.

For more information on Michael Shellenberger, please visit http://www.tedxberlin.de. Michael Shellenberger is co-founder and Senior Fellow at the Breakthrough Institute, where he was president from 2003 to 2015, and a co-author of the Ecomodernist Manifesto.
Over the last decade, Michael and his colleagues have constructed a new paradigm that views prosperity, cheap energy and nuclear power as the keys to environmental progress. A book he co-wrote (with Ted Nordhaus) in 2007, Break Through: From the Death of Environmentalism
to the Politics of Possibility, was called by Wired magazine “the best thing to happen to environmentalism since Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring,” while Time Magazine called him a “hero of the environment.” In the 1990s, he helped protect the last signi cant groves of old-growth redwoods still in private hands and bring about labor improvements to Nike factories in Asia. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx

Related by the same guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

Title: Renewables Can't Save the Planet.

Environmentalists have long promoted renewable energy sources like solar panels and wind farms to save the climate. But what about when those technologies destroy the environment? In this provocative talk, Time Magazine “Hero of the Environment” and energy expert, Michael Shellenberger explains why solar and wind farms require so much land for mining and energy production, and an alternative path to saving both the climate and the natural environment. Michael Shellenberger is a Time Magazine Hero of the Environment and President of Environmental Progress, a research and policy organization. A lifelong environmentalist, Michael changed his mind about nuclear energy and has helped save enough nuclear reactors to prevent an increase in carbon emissions equivalent to adding more than 10 million cars to the road. He lives in Berkeley, California. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx