kevm14 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:07 pm
Had a bit of a revelation today.
I cruised at 100 for a bit on my commute (got there quickly in 5th with very little throttle - car is awesome). About 3,000 rpm at 100. Seems high for a 2.65 gear. Then again I already thought 2000+ was high for 70. This got my curiosity piqued.
I found my speed vs gear spreadsheet, looked up revs/mile for a Continental 265/35-18 and plugged in the trans ratios. Sure enough I was onto something. With a 2.65 it should only be turning 1,8xx rpm @ 70 mph and 2,5xx rpm @ 100 mph. Did a little digging and 3.07 is a common Mercedes ratio. Plugged 3.07 in and guess what - it lines up PERFECTLY. Calculates to 2,086 rpm @ 70 and 2,979 rpm @ 100 which is basically exactly what I saw on the tach.
So apparently this car has upgraded diff gears. That's pretty cool though I don't think it needs it. Then I got all nervous about the trip computer. I had noted in excess of 22 mpg highway. What if that was off and some coefficient in the trip computer thought I had traveled further then the car really did and thus calculated a higher fuel economy? Well, I filled up this afternoon and this was the first time Fuelly had calculated fuel economy data. I entered everything and noted the trip computer said 17.8 mpg since I last reset it (beginning of this tank). What did Fuelly say? 17.8. No shit. Highly unexpected, honestly, but I'll take it.
Oh, on my drive home I did check to see what the computer reported for speed and rpm vs the gauge cluster. They are exactly in agreement, so that's good. It rules out the tach being way off and making me think the car has different gears when it doesn't, but it clearly does.
I got under it tonight and the stamping on the diff does say 2.65. So that means they upgraded the gears in the stock housing which is normal. What would be REALLY cool is if they also upgraded the carrier to a Quaife or other Torsen-style limited slip. These cars had open diffs with just traction control based limited slip, stock. A real limited slip is always better.
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So if I may bench race for a moment...this car has a tune (allegedly) and probably a 3.07 and maybe even a mechanical limited slip. It seems to me that on a prepped strip, this car might be good for a low 12 second 1/4 mile (OK, after I replace the intercooler pump I guess). That ain't too shabby, eh? For 1/2 the price of a V2 (which runs low 12s).
So this turned out to be all wrong. Bob dug up the test data from a 2003 C&D E55 test.
Gears 1-4 matched almost exactly to my spreadsheet. However, 5th was off, and that was the gear obviously for my 70 and 100 mph RPM measurement. What happened? I screwed up the formula when I expanded the spreadsheet to 5 gears. It was previously set up for 4 speeds. So that was my bad.
The good news is, my spreadsheet is very accurate, matching the C&D test data almost exactly. Online calculators are off by 100 rpm or more, because they use the generic tire size. I learned long ago to use the spec for revs/mile. Some Continentals in my rear size are 821 revs/mile and using that gets the closest.
C&D shows that in 4th at 155 they were turning around 5650 rpm. My spreadsheet shows 5620.
Using Car and Driver, 70 mph should be 2115 rpm in 5th. My spreadsheet shows 2110.
Yeah, I have the stock 2.65s. Actually, I am fine with them. I guess I had it right at the beginning. I think Bob may recall my quote. Something like "well if this is 3.06s, I wouldn't want 2.65s." Meaning I liked them the way they were. Turns out the stock gears are fine.
And when you look at Car and Driver (or my spreadsheet), the gearing doesn't seem totally stupid for a car at this power level, given an older 5 speed automatic.
1st goes to 50, 2nd goes to 81 and 3rd goes to 127. It scratches the tires through 1st gear anyway. Not sure what good a 3.06 would do, at least on the street.
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