MotorWeek - Retro Review: '87 GM Muscle Cars: SS

[bill25]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJnjsI3-a-k

With the best comment ever:

amccall14wake 6 years ago
that impala got a head start and still didnt stand a chance. montes are the greatest cars in the world i dont care wat anybody says. it has been my dream car ever since i was 1

Truth.

[bill25]

Another great comment from that video:

ALL the new Impalas and Monte Carlos suck ass, and that is comin from a chevy guy. Who the fuck had the genius idea of putting an SS badge on a front wheel drive car??? Thank GOD for the Camaro, because aside from the new Z06(WHICH OWNS ALL), Chevy had really gone down the tubes. What tubes? I dont see any fucking tubes? And these have got to be some really big fuckin tubes.....

Even got a George Carlin thing in there.

The video in case you missed it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJnjsI3-a-k

[kevm14]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJnjsI3-a-k

With the best comment ever:

amccall14wake 6 years ago
that impala got a head start and still didnt stand a chance. montes are the greatest cars in the world i dont care wat anybody says. it has been my dream car ever since i was 1

Truth.

Impala got a head start? What in the hell is he even referring to?

[kevm14]

Another great comment from that video:

ALL the new Impalas and Monte Carlos suck ass, and that is comin from a chevy guy. Who the fuck had the genius idea of putting an SS badge on a front wheel drive car??? Thank GOD for the Camaro, because aside from the new Z06(WHICH OWNS ALL), Chevy had really gone down the tubes. What tubes? I dont see any fucking tubes? And these have got to be some really big fuckin tubes.....

Even got a George Carlin thing in there.

The video in case you missed it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJnjsI3-a-k

There is no new Monte Carlo. That shit is gone. The new Impala is a very good car. Just ask Bob who has driven them recently in comparison with other brand new cars.

What is this talk of SS badge on a FWD car? Does this confirm that G-body enthusiasts are a bunch of inbred, low IQ ignoramuses?

[bill25]

Here is a FWD Monte Carlo with an SS badge from 2007.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-200 ... =126526873

That is the same year this video was taken. And the same year that comment was made:

RhettaDaddy 8 years ago
ALL the new Impalas and Monte Carlos suck ass, and that is comin from a chevy guy. Who the fuck had the genius idea of putting an SS badge on a front wheel drive car??? Thank GOD for the Camaro, because aside from the new Z06(WHICH OWNS ALL), Chevy had really gone down the tubes

We are not inbred, GM was retarded to not make this RWD, They probably could have saved or at least brought respect back to the nameplate.

[kevm14]

I'm sorry, the idea that some hicks are still mad about the FWD Monte Carlo is about as irrelevant as me being "irritated" that GM made a W-body Impala starting in 2000. At this point, I just don't care. It was cool to hate on them when they were actually making them 10-15 years ago but to dwell on that at this point is more a reflection on the person griping, than GM.

For a G-body person to be complaining about a 2007 Monte Carlo SS, in 2015...I just don't know what to say.

Now, to be totally fair, perhaps the real reason is because that person basically was left to die of extinction. Fullsize GM iron people had the 90s B-bodies. G-body people had nothing.

[bill25]

The new Impala is a very good car.

A very good car that neither of us would ever consider buying. A far cry from an 80's Monte or 90's Caprice/Impala SS replacement for today. 80's Monte Carlo or 90's Caprice/Impala SS were enthusiast cars. You can't get in one of those unless you get the SS, which is priced too high to compare to the prices of the cars it is replacing. The Monte was like 13K new.

In 1987 $13,500 = 28,300 in todays dollars. If GM made a RWD Monte Carlo that resembled the 80's styling but retro for today like the Camaro for 28K, I would go buy it new tomorrow. I wouldn't even think about it.

[bill25]

I'm sorry, the idea that some hicks are still mad about the FWD Monte Carlo is about as irrelevant as me being "irritated" that GM made a W-body Impala starting in 2000.

You should still be pissed because this is the reason you still have to look for B-Bodies. If they didn't do that crap in 2000, you might have a newer car platform to look for instead of the same one you have been driving since the 90's. That is only the discussion we have been having for the last 2 weeks plus.

[kevm14]

The new Impala is a very good car.

A very good car that neither of us would ever consider buying. A far cry from an 80's Monte or 90's Caprice/Impala SS replacement for today. 80's Monte Carlo or 90's Caprice/Impala SS were enthusiast cars. You can't get in one of those unless you get the SS, which is priced too high to compare to the prices of the cars it is replacing. The Monte was like 13K new.

In 1987 $13,500 = 28,300 in todays dollars. If GM made a RWD Monte Carlo that resembled the 80's styling but retro for today like the Camaro for 28K, I would go buy it new tomorrow. I wouldn't even think about it.

New Impala is not a muscle car, and is not being marketed as one.

I do wonder what that market would be. Perhaps it is small but there may be a fairly strong niche. Perhaps GM could do that, even if it was limited run, just to get some credibility. Perhaps it would be popular for a similar reason as the Challenger: Mopar people lamenting the loss of cool late 60s crap, because after that, every single thing that Chrysler touched was either garbage, or not performance oriented in any way, or both (I'm looking at you, K-car). So for GM people, maybe the original generation did die, and move on to other things. But maybe there is some pent up demand again. I honestly would be curious. I'm probably not the guy to ask because I don't really find the Challenger appealing.

[kevm14]

I'm sorry, the idea that some hicks are still mad about the FWD Monte Carlo is about as irrelevant as me being "irritated" that GM made a W-body Impala starting in 2000.

You should still be pissed because this is the reason you still have to look for B-Bodies. If they didn't do that crap in 2000, you might have a newer car platform to look for instead of the same one you have been driving since the 90's. That is only the discussion we have been having for the last 2 weeks plus.

No, I shouldn't be pissed. First, the W-body may have replaced the B-body in terms of the closest offering (fullsize car for an affordable price). But in reality, the REAL reason the B-body line was shut down is because GM wanted to build GMT-400 SUVs in Arlington, TX. The Tahoe became 4 door in 1995 and was already seeing good sales (and the 2-door Tahoe/Blazer was GONE after 96 - sound familiar?) and they needed to build more of them. Way more profit on those than B-bodies (that is verifiable fact, not conjecture, btw). Can't argue with that decision.

Do I wish they continued the B-body line somehow, with another generation of body and interior design, plus LS-derived engines? Of course. Am I mad at the W-body for it? Uh, no. I can only be mad at people who were clamoring for fullsize SUVs. GM was just making things that could be sold for the most profit, as they damn well should be.