2016 Camaro SS vs 2016 Challenger Scat Pack - Interesting perspective. And this is the new Camaro... Imagine if he was pitting it against a Gen 5...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD0oUHwfcas
I am a little surprised at the end result, and how close he thought these 2 cars are.
2016 Camaro SS vs 2016 Challenger Scat Pack
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I haven't seen it but this comment may capture the result:
Then again, who really cross shops these cars? It would be like looking at a BMW M4 and being like, hmm, I think I'd rather have a CTS-V. Sure, me too, but you didn't really understand your requirements in the first place if that's what happened. And perhaps test driving two cars helps someone understand their requirements. But in the real world, I don't think this would actually happen, especially in an enthusiast realm.
If you are looking for one of the quickest, best handling, best feeling sports cars, with a muscle car flair, the Camaro SS really is the start and finish of the search. But if someone is NOT looking for those things, well, then that's fair.The quickest, best handling car is not always the one to have. Practicality does indeed have its place. I've driven both. I'm getting the Challenger too.
Then again, who really cross shops these cars? It would be like looking at a BMW M4 and being like, hmm, I think I'd rather have a CTS-V. Sure, me too, but you didn't really understand your requirements in the first place if that's what happened. And perhaps test driving two cars helps someone understand their requirements. But in the real world, I don't think this would actually happen, especially in an enthusiast realm.
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The Camaro "felt a little more tossable?" Jesus Christ this guy certainly deserves the Challenger.
Dissecting his comment, here's a guy who wants to have a comfortable daily driver that he can floor occasionally, and never takes past 6/10ths. He's making the case for the muscle car.
That said, his comments about chassis/steering/handling are now totally non-credible.
I mean, here's a guy who gets on the highway and drives for 1-1/2 hours. Yeah, I'm sure that off-ramp at the other end feels about the same after being numbed by the highway.
Dissecting his comment, here's a guy who wants to have a comfortable daily driver that he can floor occasionally, and never takes past 6/10ths. He's making the case for the muscle car.
That said, his comments about chassis/steering/handling are now totally non-credible.
I mean, here's a guy who gets on the highway and drives for 1-1/2 hours. Yeah, I'm sure that off-ramp at the other end feels about the same after being numbed by the highway.
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Now, to be honest, some of his criticism of the Camaro are some reasons I'd never own one - same reasons I probably won't own a Corvette. It's not practical enough to be an actual car. But come on with this "they handle about the same" bullshit. I'll never let that go.
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Oh wow, he's digging himself into a hole now. He's trying to make the argument that the Challenger is the safer car. And I think his argument is 100% subjective (i.e. the Challenger feels bigger and heavier). In fact I know it is because we have actual statistics that say the Challenger is worse in crash testing. Goddamn, this guy...
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Probably worth pointing out that his previous car was a 2014 Charger R/T.
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I think this is a good example of a non-expert driver's honest opinion of the 2 cars. I think it possibly shows that the numbers on these cars are so close, it doesn't matter in the real world on the street. He was cross shopping the two of them in real life, and liked the Challenger better. What is wrong with that? I can see someone cross shopping the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger. Why is this a weird range of cars to cross shop? 2 V8 RWD American Muscle/sports cars, that are both supposed to handle well. This isn't the base Challenger. You haven't driven either of these so to say anything about what he is saying as non-expert opinion is kind of ridiculous until you actually get behind the wheel of both of them.
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Read any back to back comparison from a professional and this guy is in the minority. If the cars have about the same handling capability, then everything handles about the same (they don't). I'm not saying the Challenger handles like a school bus but I think we need to separate his preferences (mostly cruising) from the actual capability differences between these vehicles. I could say my Caprice and CTS-V handle "about the same" on the street but that completely undersells the real differences between the two cars. If I drive like a regular person, never going above 6/10ths, then maybe it doesn't matter - but that means you are unqualified to judge the actual handling capabilities, because handling itself is relatively unimportant. Having a steering rack with no slop and body roll that is controlled are just a fraction of total chassis excellence. I think some people like to defend these cars because other people think they are really bad. I never said they handle like a 1968 Roadrunner or something (truly deplorable).
He also lost me on the whole safety argument. Just a complete whiff.
Brakes? Sure, they probably feel about the same, though I don't buy that they have the same 60-0 specs. He said they did and I will have to look it up. Again, on the street, he's not going to notice or care about any differences - and I think the brakes are a lot closer than the chassis.
Acceleration? Sure, they are close enough for the street. I never said "omg, the Camaro is 2 tenths faster, how can he not notice that, derrrp." Never said it.
I'm also NOT saying that he's out to lunch on the practicality differences. The Camaro is just flat out a smaller car, interior to trunk. I can also give him the visibility differences.
But he boned up a couple things and I'm not letting those go. It doesn't mean that he made the wrong decision - I just don't like the way he framed stuff. If you just told me his driving style and where he uses the car, I could have told you the Challenger would be the pick. You'd have to have read zero articles to be as surprised as he was about both cars.
I'm not mad because he picked the Challenger. I just don't accept some of his statements the way he put them.
He also lost me on the whole safety argument. Just a complete whiff.
Brakes? Sure, they probably feel about the same, though I don't buy that they have the same 60-0 specs. He said they did and I will have to look it up. Again, on the street, he's not going to notice or care about any differences - and I think the brakes are a lot closer than the chassis.
Acceleration? Sure, they are close enough for the street. I never said "omg, the Camaro is 2 tenths faster, how can he not notice that, derrrp." Never said it.
I'm also NOT saying that he's out to lunch on the practicality differences. The Camaro is just flat out a smaller car, interior to trunk. I can also give him the visibility differences.
But he boned up a couple things and I'm not letting those go. It doesn't mean that he made the wrong decision - I just don't like the way he framed stuff. If you just told me his driving style and where he uses the car, I could have told you the Challenger would be the pick. You'd have to have read zero articles to be as surprised as he was about both cars.
I'm not mad because he picked the Challenger. I just don't accept some of his statements the way he put them.