Trucks for my neighbor

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kevm14
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Re: Trucks for my neighbor

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Then you need the 3/4 ton Avalanche with Vortec 8100.

Don't worry, those are so rare that you wouldn't be able to afford one.
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Regarding the 98: http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/4849225465.html

Just got off the phone with the seller.

Sounds pretty solid. Some rust on the rocker panels but overall sounds to be in nice shape. He's had it for 6-8 years and had no issues aside from regular maintenance (brakes), tune-up stuff, etc. He's using it right now as a daily driver. There's always a little advantage to that because it suggests a little more solidity (but people have different standards on what is good enough to drive daily).

Interior looks to be very clean and he reiterated that on the phone. Everything works. Two real things to note that could be issues:
1. There is no cat (or a gutted cat). This happened when he had the exhaust put on. As a result, the check engine light is on. I almost would cross this off the list now
2. He's "less motivated" right now because his primary car, 04 Volvo S60R, is buried in snow so he's not about to take $3,000. Which is what Edmunds says it is worth in clean condition private sale.

#1 combined with #2 may nix this vehicle from the list unfortunately.
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Re: Trucks for my neighbor

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WTH?

98 Chevrolet Silverado Classic 1500 Pickup - $1575: http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/4880065211.html
1998 Chevrolet Silverado Classic 1500 Pickup 1/2 Ton-V-8, 5.7L, 4x4. Loaded...Power Seats, , Z71 Off-Road Package, Vortec Max Performance Engine. Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ tire, like new on 18x9 ProComp chrome wheels. New S.S. Flow Master exhaust installed this year. Just tuned up with oil change, plugs, wires, rotor, cap, distributor and brakes, battery, rear break lines. Truck runs great.
Hmm.
2002 Chevrolet S-10 extended cab 4x4 129k - $4995: http://providence.craigslist.org/ctd/4871300871.html
2002 Chevrolet S-10- One owner bought NEW, Rides and drives great, extended cab, 6 cylinder, automatic, 129k miles, 4 brand new tires, Power locks and windows, Cd player, Heated mirrors, Comes Fully Inspected with a Warranty..... Priced to sell quick.. Trades are welcomed
The S-10 is at the same dealer as one of the black Avalanches.
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Additional options that I am less excited about.

1999 GMC 1500 4WD - $1500: http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/4880543744.html
FOR SALE:

1999 GMC Sierra 1500 4WD Truck. V8 5.3 Auto transmission. 225,000 miles.

- RI inspected this June 2014 (Good until June 2016)
- Cooper AT3 Tires put on June 2014
- New high heat brakes, pads, rotors

Truck needs some work. Does not idle in the cold weather, and starter seems to be going.
When it is warmed up it runs excellent. Runs great in temperature above 40 degrees.


There is rust along rocker panels and some starting in the bed. I have new rocker panels that can be installed.

Also the frame over the bed needs to be welded, it is cracked through.

It is a good truck for $1500, but it will need a few things. GMC dealer said the engine is strong and the idle issue is a part that can be replaced.

I have put a lot of money into the truck since I owned it and I just want to sell it. Good project truck for someone else!

Just being honest!
2002 GMC SIERRA 4X4 - $2800: http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/4877846375.html
2002 GMC SIERRA 1500 4X4 WITH 177000 MILES WELL MAINTAIN INSPECTED IT HAS 4DRS LADDER RACK NEW TIRES NEW FRONT BRAKES TRAILER HITCH CD PLAYER HOT HEAT ICE COLD A/C NO POWER SEATS OR WINDOWS THIS IS A WORK TRUCK NOTHING FANCY ABOUT IT EVERYTHING WORKS ABS LIGHT STAYS ON WILL NEED TAILGATE HINGE AND BACK SHOCKS WILL MAKE A GREAT WORK TRUCK TO PLOW SNOW COME GET IT WONT LAST LONG !!!
98 Chevrolet Silverado Classic 1500 Pickup - $4800: http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/4848217641.html
1998 Chevrolet Silverado Classic 1500 Pickup 1/2 Ton-V-8, 5.7L, 4x4. Loaded...Power Seats, , Z71 Off-Road Package, Vortec Max Performance Engine. Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ tire, like new on 18x9 ProComp chrome wheels. New S.S. Flow Master exhaust installed this year. Just tuned up with oil change, plugs, wires, rotor, cap, distributor and brakes, battery, rear break lines. Truck runs great
1998 GMC Sierra Z71 5.7 vortec extd cab - $3800: http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/4876199755.html
Up for sale is my long lived beauty. This 1998 GMC Sierra has been very well taken care of and adult owned since new. Push button 4 wheel drive works great , v8 350 vortec motor with hypertech chip installed for superior gear tuning and fuel mileage , new brakes and brake lines through out truck , new gas tank and fuel pump , complete front end rebuilt in 2007 , alpine CD player with 6 speakers , new windshield , inspected until 2015 , American racing rims with decent tires , flow master dual exhaust with black stainless tips , rocker panels have been redone and painted. This truck is in great shape for its year and runs amazing and I personally have kept up on all maintenance and wash and wax often. Truck currently has ladder rack and tool box on ( box is not included ! ) but ladder rack can be included. I am asking 3800 dollars for this truck and serious inquiries only no low ballers or trades. Cash for a great running GMC Sierra thanks Dave
97 GMC Sierra - $2500: http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/4869327566.html
97 GMC Sierra 1500 runs and drives, needs some work. New starter, recent motor swap. Frame redone. Inspected until 2016. 2500 obo. Not selling it with these tires. Comes with the stock tires. Will consider to add cash to trade for a newer 4 wheel drive truck, ford or chevy, no dodges. Serious inquires only, don't waste my time.
Emphasis mine. lol. You heard it here first. Want to waste someone's time? Suggest a Dodge trade.

2000 GMC sierra - $3000: http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/4823304286.html
runs and drives good no dash lights at all call or text for best response
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Re: Trucks for my neighbor

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So a 5.3L 1/2 ton will get between 14 and 19 in typical driving. Probably more like 15-16 most of the time in mixed driving.

A 4.3L S10 has a wider range (according to fuelly) of 14 to 23, but the median is also a wide range of 16 to 21 with more vehicles on the higher end of that. So maybe a 4.3L S10 isn't a bad choice for her after all.
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Rated mileage comparison:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do? ... 9&id=20265

They don't look that different on paper.
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Ok, first we looked at this: http://providence.craigslist.org/ctd/4871300871.html
2002 Chevrolet S-10 extended cab 4x4 129k - $4995

condition: like new

2002 Chevrolet S-10- One owner bought NEW, Rides and drives great, extended cab, 6 cylinder, automatic, 129k miles, 4 brand new tires, Power locks and windows, Cd player, Heated mirrors, Comes Fully Inspected with a Warranty..... Priced to sell quick.. Trades are welcomed
We also drove a 2005 Silverado extended cab 4x4 with the 5.3L. Part of the exercise was to compare and contrast S-10 vs Silverado.

There's a lot to say here but I'll make a pros/cons list for both trucks instead.

S-10 pros (some, marked with *, apply to this particular one, and some are generic)
- More manageable size
- Better fuel economy, particularly in mixed driving conditions
* Tonneau cover
* Duraliner bed liner in decent shape
* 4WD worked
* Decent body, and the rocker area rust under the extended cab area was going to be fixed by this dealer
* Only 129k
* Good paint (beige sucks but that's not a huge priority)
* Clean interior
* Heated mirrors is quite nice

S-10 cons
* Not as comfortable or solid feeling as the 1/2 ton
* Less power than the 5.3L
* ABS weirdness at low speeds (will be fixed before sale - wheel bearing/wheel speed sensor probably)
* SES light came on briefly during drive and then went out. No idea what it is.
* 3rd door latch broken and "they all do that" so I don't think they'd even bother to fix
* HVAC blend door did not seem to work on the floor setting (all defrost). But it worked on vent. Found this: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f136/no-f ... er-314010/
* Center console not securely attached and really needs a new one. They'd attempt some kind of jury rig but this is something that can be done after sale using a junkyard console
- Single extended cab jump seat is lame and nothing you'd use for people except in a pinch
- Overall interior space fairly tight
* Rust under the extended cab area, but they said that would get fixed (probably, with metal)

The 4.3L V6 is neither a pro nor a con. It has adequate power but nothing more. The push button 4WD is also neither a pro nor a con because it's convenient but also more things to break. In reality, I don't know if the reliability is impacted by this feature. Surprisingly, the S-10 had rear discs (the Silverado had rear drums). Yet the brakes felt better in the Silverado. I believe the S-10 needed (and probably would receive) a brake service, which meant pads and rotors.

We liked this guy because he seemed like a straight shooter. He would work with us on the price depending on how fixed up we wanted the truck. Reasonable. 90 day, 4000 mile warranty gives some piece of mind.

We drove to Cranston to drive that 2005 Sierra w/ 200k but it was sold. But he did have a 2005 Silverado. This one was interesting. It was one owner and he got it from another dealer as a trade. He has been using it as a work truck to re-do a kitchen (or something along those lines). It has 150k and he was willing to let it go for cost (probably knowing it would be hard to sell for a profit and he got some use out of it already).

We liked the way this truck drove much better than the S-10, despite being used as a work truck and having rust, some body damage and even incorrectly repaired body damage. It just feels better and is significantly larger and more comfortable. It's also faster. It had a complete bed full of snow and was still quick, with 3 people in it, too.

Silverado pros
- Power, especially at the upper end of the tach. Passing was very easy and so was merging.
* Despite being a work truck it did have a compass and outside temp display in the mirror
* CD player
- Steering, handling and braking is all superior to the S-10. It was nice to drive.
- Lots of room, comfortable, rides nice
* Good price ($4000 or so)
* Solid mechanically (an idler pulley and serpentine belt away from no issues)
* Frame is in good shape from what we could see
- Rear bench seat behind front row.
* 3.42 gear seems like a good choice for this truck
* Dual zone manual climate control. Hey, it's a pro.

Silverado cons
- Fuel economy likely to be worse in more city type driving
* Body rust. Rear bumper, rear cab corners, starting under the doors
* Incorrectly repaired body damage leading to extra wind noise in the cab
* Lower latch on the extended cab door on passenger side needs to be adjusted to latch securely.
* Work truck wear on interior and bed. It did have a liner.
* Speedo head is dying and was erratic
* PRNDL display very dim
* Voltage gauge dead (and pegged)
* Cracked driver's side mirror (but would be fixed to sell?)
* Fan did not work on setting 1, 2 or 3. Just the resistor pack. $30 at Rock Auto.

Trans seemed fine but under heavy throttle I felt just a tiny bit of chattering on the shift. I'd do a fluid change though the guy actually argued with me about that stuff. I did not like this guy.

The end result is my thought that I definitely preferred the Silverado and even if this wasn't the one, I'd find another one. For my neighbor on the other hand, it seems like the S-10 is the better objective choice, even though she loved the way the Silverado drove. $1000 cheaper, too.

In the end I suspect that this particular Silverado is off the list just because she'd never hear the end of it if she bought a truck with rust on it even if it would probably go to 300k and beyond.

My thought is she should look at a few other 1/2 tons (and maybe even an S-10). My gut is that the S-10 would be a good buy but even it has a few small issues. So the deal would depend on agreeing upon a price and a specific list of things to address.
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For the same 5 grand, there's this (from a private seller).

2001 Chevy S-10/GMC Sonoma - $4995: http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/4876430281.html
Actually 2001 GMC Sonoma SLS (S-10) 105,000 miles. Extended cab A/T, 4WD, bed liner and a 2" towing hitch. Leer lockable and removable fiber glass lid, $2,000 value included. A/C, AM/FM radio, MP3 adapter included. $4,995.
The 3rd door even opens.

The fiberglass lid is cool but a cap is best.
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Another 5 grand Silverado

2003 Chevrolet Silverado LS 4X4 - $4995: http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/4879331141.html
2003 Chevrolet Silverado LS 4X4. Extra cab. Green with black interior. 5.3 V8. Auto, air, all power. Excellent running. Runs and drives excellent . New 2 yr. RI state inspection. CAP IS SOLD. Nice cheap 4x4. Thousands under book.
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I agree with all that.

One other thing to point out with the Silverado is there was no inspection sticker on the window. This probably means that the windshield was replaced during the accident repair and the truck hasn't had a sticker since. The guy probably just drove it with dealer plates while he was remodeling whatever and did the brakes just for his own price of mind. That could be a headache waiting to happen as, at the very least, the cluster and mirror would need to be repaired.

Another thought: This would be a relatively cheap way to get into an LS engine for a swap. You would even have a pickup truck for a little while too and might be able to recoup some of the purchase price by parting the good parts of the truck out.although that isn't really the point of this adventure.
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