2014 Cadillac ELR

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kevm14
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2014 Cadillac ELR

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All the way back at the 2009 North American International Auto Show, the Cadillac Converj was shown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cadil ... 010_DC.jpg

Here's the 2014 ELR: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/201 ... ted-review

The drivetrain is shared with the Volt, though it gets a power boost (which I think may be entirely software-based). The battery is the same. The interior, exterior and suspension are all different. Badge engineering? Hardly.

From a marketing standpoint, it's for people who may have liked the Volt's powertrain achievements but wanted something upscale. In that respect, mission accomplished.

From a specification standpoint, the ELR tips the scales at over 4,000 lbs, which is almost a 300 lb weight gain from the Volt (perhaps less than you may have thought - the Volt isn't light, either).

I am trying to understand the new powertrain specs, though. The Volt has a 149hp main traction motor, and it limited itself to a maximum of 149 tractive hp in all modes. The ELR specifies its main traction motor at 157hp (ok, close enough) in EV mode. In extended range mode (which is series hybrid mode except at highway speeds where it can be parallel hybrid mode), the motor is rated at 181hp. Then, they further blend output from the range extender (aka the 84hp gas engine), for a total maximum tractive output of 217hp. Perhaps they are adding some of the motor-generator horsepower.

Actually, here's a cleanly broken down hypothesis that I just came up with:

Main traction motor only + motor-generator in motor mode (EV): 157hp
Main traction motor + motor-generator in generator mode (series hybrid w/ engine): 181hp (output regulated, as the motor-generator is rated at 74hp in the Volt)
Main traction motor + motor-generator as generator + clutched engine (parallel hybrid w/ engine): 217hp

I could check the forums. I digress.

C&D tested in EV mode and range-extender mode. EV mode should be the 157hp but range extender mode could be 181 or 217. Not sure. It probably depends on vehicle speed.

Remember the basic way the Voltec powertrain operates. Main traction motor is the primary source of motive power. There's a planetary gearset where a secondary motor (also the only generator) (rated at 74hp in the Volt, possibly the same in the ELR) can engage and allow the main traction motor to stay within its optimized speed range. That secondary motor I believe functions much like the gas engine does in a Prius. The range extender can act as a generator (series hybrid) or as a generator plus torque assist, as it clutches into the secondary motor-generator. There is only one motor-generator (meaning it can be a motor when coupled to the planetary gearset, or a generator when coupled to the engine) so if you are driving fast enough where it would want to begin providing torque to slow down the main traction motor, the gas engine, which would be already turning the motor-generator, would now be turning the planetary gearset THROUGH the motor-generator, producing mechanical torque AND electric power at the same time. It's really a series-parallel hybrid mode.

Perhaps a simplified way to think of it is, if the range extender is running, the motor-generator is in generator mode. It may, or may not, be coupled into the planetary gearset when generating electricity from the engine (a function of vehicle speed, as the traction motor reaches maximum speed at 70mph).

It has HiPer strut so it handles itself very well for a FWD-based car.
Even when the tires are close to falling off the grip cliff, at 0.84 g, the car responds to inputs better than any other front-drive hybrid on the road. The electric power steering is appropriately light and has zero slop, on-center and elsewhere.
If you read the article you'll learn, like I did, that GM added a new driving mode to the Volt last year, which is present in the ELR. It's called Hold mode. It engages the range extender at the driver's request, and halts the depletion of the battery. Use case: use the engine on a long highway part of the trip and save the battery for around town. Makes sense. Mountain mode, available since the first year Volt, will get the battery to a mid-level state of charge because this powertrain is fundamentally EV; you only have 84hp of gas engine in a 2-ton car. If you have a LOT of high horsepower action ahead (a mountain pass), you will need some battery energy on tap. Yup, that means if you flog a Volt or ELR hard enough, you'll end up hobbling along with the 84hp engine trying to either make enough electricity and/or provide mechanical torque. Either way, that's 84hp worth of power.

If that's unsatisfactory, compare to what happens in a pure EV when you run out of juice. You'll understand why the engine is called a range extender, and why I still find this powertrain design very relevant.

The remaining interesting point is "Regen on demand." Squeeze a steering wheel paddle and it'll engage regen up to a max of 0.2G decel (turning on the brake lights at 0.12G or higher automatically) for as long as you hold the paddle. Certainly the brakes are calibrated to use regen to the greatest extent possible before engaging the hydraulic brakes, but this is a way to do it with zero chance of accidently engaging the brakes. GM is marketing this so that must mean something.
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Re: 2014 Cadillac ELR

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http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014012 ... dailydrive

Free Level 2 charger. That's something. 240V, charges in 4.5 hours for an EPA rated 37 miles of EV driving.
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Car and Driver video for the ELR: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/20 ... brid-video

I do like the idea of engaging the car via the regen paddles as well as the selection of hold mode so you can run as a gas, or run as a pure EV. The newer Volts have this as well.
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... ent-at-all

I'm sure most of you have seen this ad by now. The ad certainly didn't make me want to run out and buy an ELR, but it might be appealing to the type of person who would spend $80k on a Cadillac Volt when you can get a perfectly good Tesla S for that kind of coin.
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Despite what the press and Tesla may say, even at $80k, merely having a big-ass battery pack does not solve all of the problems. It still takes forever to charge unless you happen to live in some progressive city with a well-funded EV program. I don't.
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The Tesla Model S will easily outsell the ELR by a margin of at least 10:1 this year (that may be generous to the ELR), so it must be working for some people. I highly doubt that those who don't see the Model S as a practical option will be flocking to the ELR. I think it's more likely that they will go with a standard ICE vehicle.
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Agreed, the sales will reflect what you said. The Tesla is successful integration of a powerful EV motor, a very large battery pack and nice fit and finish. But it also has become a status symbol and the wealthy/green set would MUCH rather make a statement with a Tesla than a Cadillac, even if the Cadillac was 100% EV.
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The other thing I don't really think helps to sell the ELR is that you can get basically the same powertrain in a far less expensive vehicle. If I could get the Tesla's powertrain (performance and range) in a vehicle costing half as much, but lacking luxury features, I would jump all over that.

One edge I think the ELR could have is styling. I have yet to see an ELR in person, although I think in some ways it may be more striking than the Tesla from an exterior design standpoint. I see Teslas almost weekly in Charlotte and while they look nice, there's nothing Earth-shattering about the styling. The 60 KWh version with the smaller wheels looks particularly plain. I saw a Fisker Karma the other day, which I have to say is far better looking than the Telsa.
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I think Tesla's success to date was 1 part good engineering and 1 part marketing. I don't think the engineering alone would carry it.
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kevm14 wrote:I think Tesla's success to date was 1 part good engineering and 1 part marketing. I don't think the engineering alone would carry it.
I think that's true of most successful companies. It's hard to do it on engineering alone, especially if you're selling a premium product.
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