M/T: Dual motor AWD Tesla Model 3 announced

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kevm14
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M/T: Dual motor AWD Tesla Model 3 announced

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http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-mo ... D6872DFB03

More bait and switch from Tesla. Not sure what the 1/4 mile is, but the claimed 0-60 is 3.5s.
The Model 3’s claim to fame is its $35,000 starting price that makes it accessible to a broad range of consumers. But this performance variant will cost around $78,000, according to Musk—and that’s without Autopilot.
Recall that the long range version (RWD) runs 13.4 @ 105. And that one is way into the $40k range or more like $50k range for typical options. And that you can get a used CTS V-sport for like $30k (or less) that runs like 12.9 @ 110. Or an SS sedan with similar performance (and always moddable LS3).

What's the base model going to run? 14.0 @ 99? Meh. A very used (and cheap) 2008 MS3 runs that.

I'm not sure at what point in time the Model 3 would be the used car to buy, but right now I don't see a path. It would have to be far and away the cheapest, most practical way to speed for me to deal with that "put everything on this giant tablet that we glued to the center stack" interior.
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It will never be a good used car option since Teslas don't follow the normal EV depreciation curve. Meanwhile, BMW i3s are down in the mid-teens and Nissan Leafs and Fiat 500es are under $5k in some instances. Granted, all of these cars have much shorter range. I am interested to follow the path of used Bolts to see if the range or the brand is what is sustaining Tesla values. I suspect the latter.
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What's the base model going to run? 14.0 @ 99? Meh.
That is an odd assumption given that the quote said:
But this performance variant will cost around $78,000
Why would you expect the performance variant with an extra motor be slower than the long range single motor? Granted, the long range single motor is better performing than the base single motor. I mean, 3.5 is pretty quick to 60...
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Base = short range battery RWD
Then there's the long range RWD
Finally there's this new AWD dual motor one.

We haven't seen the numbers on the base car, have we?
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Source: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/mo ... ve-review/
Tesla’s claim of 0-60 in 5.1 seconds seems right when paired with this car’s $9,000 long-range battery. Yes, there’s a choice of two batteries. Tesla’s trying to change the vocabulary we’re using to describe it, from “kilowatt-hours” to “range.” Franz says the standard one (while still doing 0-60 in 5.6 seconds) will travel 220 miles, but his provides 310 miles of range.
Sure, these are Tesla's numbers. Agree, not as concrete as an instumented test by caranddriver.
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First one done, more claims from Tesla, no price on the good one:

Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-h ... spartanntp
The higher-performance version of the dual-motor, all-wheel-drive Tesla Model 3 will hit 60 mph in 3.5 seconds, the automaker says. Another variant, however, will take 4.5 seconds to reach 60 mph. It will also have a top speed of 140 mph, whereas the new performance version will reach 155 mph. Both versions will boast a range of 310 miles per charge.
No 1/4 stats yet. The performance version is quicker to 60 than a ZL1 1LE Camaro which base price is 71K. Just for a data point. Yeah you can pay less for this performance used, but is that apples to apples? (No, it isn't, I think you have to compare new to new. When they are used, you could compare used to used.)

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... ive-review
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Also, the ZL1 1LE should destroy this on the track... Waiting for those specs too.
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Camaro ZL1 goes 0-60 in 3.4.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... ver-page-4

MSRP of $61,500.

I know it annoys you but I maintain new vs used is valid if that's all you have. To me it's a lot like what happens when you compare a brand new Camaro to a used Corvette. Because the Corvette typically brought a high level of performance years before a given Camaro model, they are usually cheaper than something new which just attained that level of performance. You can usually add a lot of warranty with some of the difference or whatever if that is the issue. I can't really imagine any scenario where someone would say "I am in the market for a new car, not a used car" with no further qualifying information. I can manufacture one situation: I work for a sales company which would buy me any car up to, say, $50k but it has to be new. Ok, so now I really do need a new car. Other than that, no. On most cars, those first, 30k, 50k or even 100k tend to be pretty expensive on the depreciation side.

Another situation I'd concede is when comparing new vs used of the SAME CAR. If it is one of those uncommon examples of holding resale better than most cars, buying new can be a better long term prospect. That is also a rare case.

In the case of the Corvette, it's not GM's fault that they obtained a high level of performance 3, 5, 10 years ago and those vehicles are now available at 60%, 50% or even less of their original value. That is a win for the buyer. Used cars are available on the open market and available to buy for anyone who has cash or a loan, same as the new car. So it is a relevant market force. And in many cases, the used example may actually be far easier to find than a new model that just came out, is rare, or is made at an impossibly slow rate (Tesla). Given all of that, I think most buyers would be silly to ignore used cars.

You can fault the used car, but where was the new "affordable" Tesla when some of these used cars were brand new? To me that prior lack of availability comes at the burden of having to compete with available used cars that may provide, for example, similar acceleration to 60. I am trying to be reasonable - I am not going to penalize them for some 25 year old model that's mostly in a junkyard or a museum - I am talking about real cars that are available for anyone to purchase.
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Re: M/T: Dual motor AWD Tesla Model 3 announced

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So the 1LE is 9K more, and slower to 60 probably due to extra drag... We can use ZL1 stats vice 1LE.
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Yes.
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