M/T: Top 10 sedans in figure-8 time

[kevm14]

http://www.motortrend.com/news/apex-pre ... 707C458EAE

Wow.

[bill25]

Not sure what I am more surprised about,

The M3 being so low,
The Panamera being so high with all of the hate it gets,
The ATS-V winning,
Mercedes being on the list and beating the BMW's and CTS-V,
Or the fact that the SS and Caprice (ok now you know I am trolling) are not on the list.

Go ATS-V! I also guess that means that the new Camaro SS beats all of these. Even better!

[kevm14]

I'd be interested to see where the Camaro lands. Though there is no Camaro sedan...

[bill25]

I thought sedans had the same performance with extra doors.

[kevm14]

They do. The ATS-V sedan actually was like a tenth faster than the coupe.

[kevm14]

The M3 being so low,

24.0 is pretty good. It was among the fastest times.

The Panamera being so high with all of the hate it gets,

Yeah it basically tied the smaller and lighter ATS-V. That is most certainly impressive.

The ATS-V winning,

Of course. That was my main "wow" I think.

Mercedes being on the list and beating the BMW's and CTS-V,

I believe the E63 is really the CTS-V competitor. The CTS-V was faster. But hang on: there were THREE Mercedes cars on this list!! I have been paying attention to their performance cars over the past 5 years and they really are doing a very good job. They offer the numbers, the feel and the overall engagement that BMW does not.

Or the fact that the SS and Caprice (ok now you know I am trolling) are not on the list.

Well...The best SS figure-8, for comparison, was 24.9 @ 0.81G (or 24.8s @ 0.80G for the 2014), so it wouldn't make the list. But then the cars on this list are expensive.

Go ATS-V! I also guess that means that the new Camaro SS beats all of these. Even better!

It is possible that the ATS-V is actually the cheapest one on the list. The gen 5 Camaro 1LE ran 24.2 to 24.5 so even it would have been at the bottom of the list. New SS: 24.1. Old Z/28: 23.6 (one tenth faster than the new ATS-V). GT350R turned a 23.3 @ 0.87G which is ridiculous.
Figure 8 reference: http://forums.kevinallenmoore.com/viewt ... 8598#p8598

Even better reference: http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/motortrend-figure-8

Now this will be fun to look through.

You'll notice that when it comes to the absolute fastest thing you can get, the C7 Z06 is a total animal. Second only to the Porsche 918 million dollar supercar.

The GT350R is #28 for context.

[kevm14]

Go ATS-V! I also guess that means that the new Camaro SS beats all of these. Even better!

Re-quoted for emphasis: The ATS-V is significantly faster around the figure 8 than the new Camaro SS. I think this should be the case. But the more interesting question is, would the ATS-V be better performing with the LT1? Or just better sounding?

[bill25]

The ATS-V is significantly faster around the figure 8 than the new Camaro SS.

That is interesting. Consider that the Camaro has more HP and Torque, Not by a lot but still, and it is the same chassis, except for supposed improvements, that made it worse???

[kevm14]

To be fair, I'd compare the ATS-V to the 1LE when it comes out. The gap will shrink.

[kevm14]

This is a little odd.

New ATS-V: 23.7
New Camaro SS: 24.1
Old ZL-1 convertible (4,373 lbs): 24.1
Old ZL-1 coupe: 23.9
Old 1LE: 24.2